I have just asked the AI for predicted FTP and increased +12.94% increase, is this right :heart_eyes:

For ages now the AI FTP has been intentionally a somewhat artificial metric in the sense that you could have an FTP of 300W but low progression levels or an FTP of 300W with high progression levels and have quite different capabilities. This is at least partly down to the 28 day restriction and the …

FTP isn’t all that fuzzy if you validate it, and pace by it. A PDC like WKO would be nice, but that doesn’t mean that the number itself isn’t important. I want to be able to go out and do 30+ minutes at 100%, or 60-120 minutes at 90%, and so on out on a training ride or in a race without blowing up…

[image] BCM: But, I still need to know what my actual FTP is when I’m outside - racing and doing steady state pacing targets. Trainerroad (For me anyways) is to get faster and be a better racer/rider in the real world on my bike and Power based pacing as a percentage of FTP and resulting Heart R…

@Dark-Passenger If anything TR are getting closer to the meaning of FTP, as “descriptive not prescriptive.” amongst other things. I’m loathe to get drawn in to this kind of discussion again, but I understand your concerns. FTP has been a handy number for a long time. My thoughts got to Luke, appr…

Except FTP is prescriptive in certain scenarios. It’s not all about sitting on a trainer doing workouts in a virtual world. Do 2x25 at 100% with 5 minutes rest. Do a 4 hour ride with 4 x 30 at 90% Do a 4 hour Fartlek at 80% IF. Pace the climbs in a race at 90-95% watching RPE and heart rate. D…

[image] TrainerRoad AI and AI FTP Detection TrainerRoad Software I’ve mentioned this in a few threads, but it deserves its own post. The new AI doesn’t actually know anything about FTP or workout levels. It only sees raw power and heart rate, then figures out…

[image] Dark-Passenger: I didn’t decide anything, in fact I didn’t trust it at all. However, after testing it against my previous FTP tests then performing workouts at a % of that FTP everything matched up. So I went in skeptical and model proved itself. So now you have decided that you do in…

Except for a lot of us the “made up” AIFTP actually equals our real world FTP, which is why we trust it and are skeptical of something Nate says may not match up.

All the ftp numbers are estimates of a metabolic steady state, a steady state which fluctuates and is not fixed…what do you mean by “real world ftp”? I’m getting sucked in. My AI detected ftp and ramp tests usually align, my Garmin detected ftp is usually a bit different, and I haven’t done a 40k …

I’m extremely skeptical of AI FTP. Maybe just because it didn’t work well for me. So, maybe (almost certainly) that clouds my comments. I believe people who try to verify it just test to the number, which skews real world training. That’s why I love this new model. It doesn’t care what you think yo…

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