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Also kind of funny to see the same person in this thread make 45 posts about how itās in poor taste to criticize TR, while literally making personal digs and attacks at the person who put out criticisms in every single post āheās a nobodyā, āhe has no experienceā, āTR responding is like a pro engaging a 5 year oldā
Iāll keep using TR for sure, but they need to make some improvements/enhancements cause the plans literally have not changed in 3 years and I do not believe for a second they are ideal as can be, with all the threads we have here about burnout and lack of completion of workouts.
I think @dcrainmaker have address this before.
How he have been suggested his reviews are too long. He just ignore those people and makes probably the best reviews on cycling/running gadgets on the internet!
Well, that is really well what the debate is about isnāt. Well, not which other way got more people faster, but what way will get the most people faster. This is the question that I believe TrainerRoad will in good faith try to wrestle with.
to your post.My 2 cents, which is worth way less than 2 centsā¦
From my middle age ex-fat guy perspective, I can concur that the SSB plans can put me in a serious hole if I donāt watch out. Late week 3 or week 4 I typically start feeling those signs - lack of motivation, dead legs, start feeling sick, etcā¦thatās usually when I take a break and just focus on riding for fun. Iād like to see the fabled Masterās plan options or some other options, but I know what the impact of the current plans will be, so I adjust accordingly.
I will say, as Iāve just been able to start riding again in January after injury recovery (after around a 6 month layoff), I havenāt started another TR plan yet because I know if I jump right back in, itās just going to tank me quickly and likely be counterproductive. So Iām working my own plan for a few months until I feel like Iāve got enough fitness back to handle the TR approach.
Iāve been with TR from the beginning, and the yearly price I pay is worth it just to support the company and podcasts alone. I have faith that the product will evolve with the science, albeit maybe a little slower than weād all like. I look forward to a more adaptive approach someday, ala Xert, some magical spot between a static plan and a coach - that will be golden for those of us who sometimes canāt have as much riding consistency as weād like (and whoās aging bodies donāt recovery like you youngāunās).
Well if his video was how to use LV and sprinkle in some Z2 then he would likely loose some of this subscribers.
Or is that exactly the point? If you only want to do 3 workouts, less than 5 hour total time a week, does it not make sense to make those workouts harder? As you pointed out, you have decent amount of time to recover in between. Seems logical to me
lol. His videos are too long. I usually only watch the first few minutes. I like him, but most products arenāt in my wheelhouse.
Maybe, but I rather have comprehensive reviews than a 4 minute sound biteā¦
Thatās not fair to call him just another YTerā¦ Dylan won the Nationals for Ultra Endurance MTB racing twice. Top 10 Dirty Kanza, Top 5 Belgian Waffle Ride, etc. Heās shown out at the top levels - pretty legit.
Let me get this straightā¦ A high volume plan will likely lead to overtraining for most non-elite athletes? Hardly breaking news, and the reason the TR road guys basically recommend anyone uncertain about it should start with LV or MV.
As I see it:
- HV is designed for those who require that high dose of volume+intensity to continue to see positive results.
- SS is recommended because people donāt want to spend several hours on a turbo
- if neither works for you, edit the plan
Being a YT personality is about clicks and comments. Simplifying an argument in order to take a contentious position on it is an easy way to achieve both of these objectives. So I take most of what he says with a pinch of salt.
because some of them, like me, didnt actually watch it lol. Many will respond to the thumbnail and just discuss in the comments
You missed:
DJās video is invalid because he sells his own plans. Stops science being science.
If you complete the sentence as āThe problem with TrainerRoad training plansā¦is that they donāt incorporate enough Zone 2 riding,ā then I 100% agree with Johnsonās criticism from both a research and anecdotal point of view. TrainerRoad as an overall product is good, but the plans do need work. Personally, I would like to see a more robust plan builder with more options, including, e.g. ā5-6 rides per week, with 3 of those structured workouts and the rest Z2.ā Can I customize this kind of plan myself? Yes, obviously. But say there is a baker who makes cupcakes, and a bunch of people are saying, āI want frosting on the cupcake,ā and the baker keeps saying, āPut it on yourself, thatās what the frosting vat in the corner is for!ā then at a certain point that baker isnāt doing a great job.
As an aside, the criticisms of Johnsonās financial motivations are ad hominem arguments, which are logical fallacies and donāt address the actual claims of the video, so I donāt find them helpful.
Legit as an athlete but who has he coached to success? Just because he got a system that worked for him, doesnāt mean he can train people effectively.
DJ is a legit stud of an athlete and likely has a lot more to accomplish. I was more referring to him as an expert in training and coaching that would be relevant to TR. DJ doesnāt bring anything to the table other than his own physical abilities, which were not gained following TR programs, so what can TR do with that?
I am a 20 year runner who thought to give cycling a try. So far in close to 6 months of busting my butt on TR, I have a very lackluster 12 watts of ftp gain to show for it. So I donāt know. Maybe a different direction is warranted for me. As a former runner, I am quite familiar and comfortable with a polarized approach. It seems to be much more widespread in running because with the added impact, too much intensity tends to injure very quickly.
Is he a legit athlete? yes he is.
but you canāt tie his success as an athlete anything else he does.
Iām not sure why anything about him personally is really relevant.
He points out some flaws in his opinion of TR plans. Flaws that have been discussed many many times. Rather than just stating these opinions, he uses peer reviewed research to back up his position, including a paper that reviews the entire body of relevant research and reports on the consistency and validity of the findings.
If Boris Johnson had posted this video it wouldnāt have changed the validity of the content.