I’ve been feeling very fatigued for 4-5 days, thankfully the workouts have been relatively benign in that time. Does TR try and pre-empt this by looking out for perceived effort scores being uncharacteristically high etc?
I think with Adaptive Training and Red Light Green Light it aims to capture that.
There’s red light green light. But you have to be self-aware and answer the questions honestly.
Might I suggest you do a search on all the threads you’ve started and make a list of the issue you wanted addressed that day, and for each of those write down a couple of the possible reasons people suggested, and also write down the corresponding suggestions to fix the issue. Here’s a general. It might help to put it all down in one place. It’s probably going to include reasons that we see all the time, like:
you changed or added workouts, such that you’re doing too much intensity, need to rest
you might be getting sick, need to rest
you were doing 5 hrs per week and added a 4-6 hour endurance ride on Sundays, and now your threshold workout on Tuesday feels awful, maybe you added too much before you’re ready for that many hours per week, ease into the higher volume a little per week
you’re not feeling good at the end of high intensity workout today, but a slightly easier one was fine the day before, try a rest or recovery day between those high intensity days, and yeah, that heavy leg day you did yesterday will cause that, too
you’re diet is going great and you’ve lost a bunch of weight, so your workouts should be getting easier, but they aren’t getting easier, you need to fuel your workouts
Fuel your workouts, get rest, limit stress, don’t try to make big jumps in intensity and/or hours per week. You might be able to get away with missing some of these key factors for a while, and then one day your body says enough. A computer/algorithm can do a lot, but you need to be self-aware of how you feel, what you are doing that seems like it could be too much, and be honest with yourself, and adjust when your body tells you to.
Yes it tries too - but me mindful that it can only know so much.
So it looks at training stress but it wound know if you aren’t eating and sleeping enough for example.
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Right now, you’re on a scheduled recovery week, so we didn’t necessarily adapt things because we sensed your fatigue, but we put these in place to ensure that you have time to recover after a few tough weeks of training.
As others have mentioned, we do have fatigue management systems in place, so if you have your training approach dialed in and you’re answering your post-workout surveys honestly and accurately, we’ll do our best to keep your training appropriate for your abilities.
Of course, if you’re feeling fatigued, don’t keep doing hard workouts. You’ve got the liberty to skip workouts if you’re starting to get ill, and we can’t always know when that’s happening.
Also, as @kevistraining mentioned, fueling is really, really important here as well. It’s much harder to overtrain if you’re getting enough carbohydrates and protein in, but your sleep and life stress do play into that equation as well.
It’s always better to miss a workout or two if you’re tired rather than pushing through and digging that hole deeper, which will inevitably require a longer time to recover from. ![]()
I find it fascinating… just as I’m feeling fatigued TR drops in a recovery week! I checked my calories and they’re almost exactly what my Fitbit claims I burn. Certainly no major deficits. I’ve been one hundred percent honest with the RPE question after each workout.
Recovery weeks are important!
I still somewhat regularly see people skipping them. Can you imagine how they feel a few months into hard training without a single recovery week? ![]()
Didnt you say you lost 5kg in 8 weeks without trying in this thread? ![]()
Yes I did… but I can’t retrospectively go back and check previous days/weeks for calorie intake as I wasn’t keeping a record. However when I made a point of checking my fuelling this week there was no major deficit.
Long-term fatigue and long-term nutrition can have effects that languish. Fueling properly one week won’t immediately compensate for having been in a calorie deficit for several weeks (intentionally or not).
Feeling fatigued for 4–5 days points to being unable to recover from your training. Personally, the biggest factor is
- a sufficient amount of sleep long-term — or rather, lack thereof.
- The next important thing is nutrition on and off the bike. Currently, I am in a calorie deficit, too, as I am trying to lose some more weight. But I can definitely tell, it has an impact on my recovery and my performance on threshold workouts specifically.
- And as a consequence, you might have to cut back your training. Too often I hear “you need to train more to get faster”, but they forget to add “if you can recover”. The last bit is not free. IMHO it is better to opt for less volume, if you are more consistent as a result.
Would also remember its coming into winter flu season.
These things hit your HR and “Can I be arsed” meter before they turn into actual symptoms of the illness