Coming Soon: See Your Fitness Before You Get There 🤭

[Nate_Pearson]

@JoeX

Or….”How do I manipulate my training plan to get it to predict a 300W FTP in six months?”

We only predict 4 weeks into the future, but you could manipulate your plan to see if it’s possible.

But…it doesn’t show you the impossible. You can’t just add more volume and have your FTP go up. Everyone will have a point where the more volume they add the lower their FTP will be due to over training and the added rest needed.

[Nate_Pearson]

@MikeJDrake

I’ve clicked the link to sign up for TR AI which took me into the App, but that was it and I can’t find it in there, about where to sign up for it?

Regards
Mike Drake

It’s not out yet. We’re working on it and you’ll be notified when it’s released.

[Nate_Pearson]

@Bbt67

Well that is disappointing.

We will tell you your next aiFTP up front if you follow the plan?

Not at first, but it’s one of the first things to add once the dust settles. We had to make the decision of launching and users clicking a few options to try different plans, or potentially missing Jan 1st which would be awful for us.

[Nate_Pearson]

@kevistraining

Definitely could be wrong - just a guess.

I just can’t imagine it being super accurate much further ahead?

I view it like those retirement account predictions. The further away the date is the more uncertainty and bigger the spread is.

Also, this is a big server cost for us (hundreds of thousands per year) and adding a bigger window increases the cost.

As all things in tech, things will get more efficient and servers will cost less. But we think that the four week simulation window works really well and feels good.

[Nate_Pearson]

@mvmadore

Honestly I’m tired of seeing these ‘ads’ and ‘notices’…feels like I’m being bombarded with a fake news item…just do it or stop these endless ‘coming soon’ ads…

The drip campaign for our launch started 4 days ago on Christmas. Is that what you’re talking about seeing too much of?

We do have ads for TrainerRoad run on our forum, but they are just standard banner ads like this:

And we don’t even have that many. I think it’s justified for us to run a few ads for our product on our free forum.

[Nate_Pearson]

@Rizzi

I have criticized TR for not discussing features and missed Nate on the podcast talking TR roadmap stuff. So I for myself enjoy those feature teasers and after years that felt more like stagnation finally some concrete insight is very welcome.

Lightning up the holidays with some pre produced teasers to me feels much nicer than another 2 weeks silence and as a result more frustration in the speculation thread.

Looking forward for the next podcast.

Next podcast I talk about everything we’ve worked on and why we’re doing a big release like this.

It’s been a LOT of effort but I’m really proud of what we’ve done. In testing, we’ve really improved our metrics and the closed beta feedback has been fantastic.

[Nate_Pearson]

@mrtopher1980

Yeah this is a no win situation, you don’t update people and they get mad you don’t update. And if you do update people they get mad that they are just teasing. Neither side is right or wrong both are annoying depending on what side of it you are on.

The ads though on the forum for those of us being paid users is a little annoying. I did have a chuckle and almost screenshot one between 2 posts by Nate in the Beta thread, like if people are testing stuff they clearly are users and don’t need ads.

I like that idea of syncing membership to the forum so that we can turn off ads for those people.

I’ve also wanted a badge that shows who’s signed up and who isn’t.

That takes engineering effort though and I’ve prioritized other features like the ones we’re launching above that.

[Monkeyevil]

I had to reread this a few times because I wasn’t sure where you were going with volume? I may have misunderstood this feature.

[NigelTufnel11]

Great to see a response directly from you, Nate! Based on all of the news rolling out, I’m guessing you’ve been really busy for quite a while now (perhaps on the ‘Aggressive’ plan, instead of the ‘Balanced’ plan ). Definitely looking forward to seeing the changes in the near future, and seeing how you’ve implemented everything.

And, in reading your response to @Monkeyevil , it sounds like I may want to rethink my approach to my next round of TR training plan, since I selected ‘Demanding’, instead of ‘Balanced’ (I didn’t go as far as ‘Aggressive’). I’ve got a month until the new round starts, though, so hopefully the new features will be up-and-running, and I’ll have some additional thoughts (and feedback) by then.

Thanks for all you, and the team, do!

[mrtopher1980]

@Nate_Pearson

That takes engineering effort though and I’ve prioritized other features like the ones we’re launching above that.

Wouldn’t want any taken away from any actual product development. They generally don’t bother me just sometimes the middle of the page ones are a little much.

[Rizzi]

@Nate_Pearson

it’s focusing on the type of power needed in your plan to make you faster and achieve your goals.

Does “in your plan” mean that all is based on the stock plan structure / plan builder?

I’d love if it wasn’t dependent on a plan but would work out the workouts / structure completely free and independent of a pre set plan structure.

And could you drop a word on triathlon / other sports. Would be nice if I could block days for hard interval run and long run and TR AI would plan the bike workouts around that!!

[Dwall]

The suggested details of the new ai is what Xert is already doing, so a specific detail or two on how different would be nice for decision making.

[mrtopher1980]

@pdworks.cc

Though I’m not sure why we’re trying to dissociate FTP from an hr effort… Coggins seems to still believe that it’s tied to an hr effort saying “the most direct estimate of your sustainable (threshold) power will be obtained by simply doing a time trial of an hour or so.”

Ignoring for a moment that is an article from 10 years ago this is an actual quote from him in the last 3 years:

“it’s not exactly 60 minutes it hasn’t ever been 60 minutes” (was trying to transcribe from podcast so hopefully got that right) Forgot to pause it think its about 26 min 30 second where he says it, little after that

Even in your link/quote above he never claims that the 1 hour TT he suggests you look at was more than sustainable threshold power for pacing.

[edatatn]

I’d you’re in this forum and a TR user, you’re already pretty much a AI Guided Training Convert.

[Nate_Pearson]

@Monkeyevil

I had to reread this a few times because I wasn’t sure where you were going with volume? I may have misunderstood this feature.

My understanding is another platform gives you a higher FTP with the more volume you add. This of course isn’t correct, and everyone has a different amount they can take at different points in the training.

With TrainerRoad AI, you can’t just keep adding volume and get into the “toxic” state I think that was being explained. It has a natural check in it where you add too much intensity/volume you’ll get a lower FTP.

[Nate_Pearson]

@NigelTufnel11

And, in reading your response to @Monkeyevil , it sounds like I may want to rethink my approach to my next round of TR training plan, since I selected ‘Demanding’, instead of ‘Balanced’ (I didn’t go as far as ‘Aggressive’). I’ve got a month until the new round starts, though, so hopefully the new features will be up-and-running, and I’ll have some additional thoughts (and feedback) by then.

You’ll be able to adjust it and see which one is best for you.

This is a feature we’ll automate after this release settles down.

[ChefAcB]

If I’m not mistaken Friel mentions doing a 30 minute all out effort and that’s your “ftp”. I’ve personally had great success using a number I can hold for 35-40 minutes.

[Twowkg]

@pdworks.cc

Though I’m not sure why we’re trying to dissociate FTP from an hr effort…

Because FTP is not an hour effort.

Quoting directly from Coggan. “It’s not exactly 60 minutes” “it’s never been exactly 60 minutes”

Simplifying it to exactly 60 minutes is a misunderstanding of the fundamental concept of FTP

[mvmadore]

LOL are you kidding??? ‘drip ads’??? more like the niagra falls…all over social media platforms and as you can see many are finding them irritating.
I’ve just joined TR…a month ago…and prior was a member of TrainingPeaks…no ads proclaiming amazing stuff coming soon.
I just want an AI run training program that works and shows my progress…honestly TR doesn’t really show much in the way of progress…Garmin Connect actually shows a lot more as does my Strava Premium membership.
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[Nate_Pearson]

Oh, you’re not liking how we’re talking about our new feature on social media and you want an AI Running platform.

We’re a cycling training platform first and we’re going to post about our biggest launch ever on our social media platforms.

Honestly I don’t think we are the right product for you. Let me know and Ill refund you and delete your account, no worries!