Anyone using RGT Cycling, thoughts?

I still find it annoying, even on the official courses, with the elevation map, gradient display … Better at 50%, but for training still annoying.

Might be a personal thing.

I don’t really find the official courses too varying in gradient like my magic roads (0% to 20% etc in an instant :open_mouth:) but if I am not using London/ Germany or Borrago for training I drop the feedback intensity even further, for the Stelvio say to 25% or I let TR control the resistance and just have RGT reading watts.

No dedicated graphics card in either of my laptops… current or the one I handed down to my daughter, and it is perfect on both.

Runs really well on an old Galaxy S7 as well, not had any issues ‘touch wood’ very happy with RGT for the last 10 - 12 months.

Have uploaded most of my library of workouts. Very cost effective and enjoyable way of indoor training.

Works fine on a standalone S7 imo, never believe anything you read on FB :wink:

Edit… whoops see comments below might have been Bluetooth as my power meter and trainer are both dual connection.

Also screen shared from S7 to a 48in Samsung curve… over kill but works.

Ant+ with new RGT on mobile? Good to know if true. My trainer is to old and doesn’t have FTMS.

Ant+ only worked with the screen on the previous version. There was no screen/mobile divide on the initial release.

Doh. Just checked the app maybe I was connected by Bluetooth thought it was turned off and I was connect by Ant+. I’ll check a bit later if I have time.

Their documents say no ANT+ on mobile devices, no matter how. I can confirm for USB dongle on mobile.

"ANT USB Dongles are only supported on Windows and MacOS.

RGT does not currently support ANT USB Dongles through mobile devices or mobile devices that have built in ANT capability." Jira Service Management

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Yes I know it’s meant to be but I can’t see anything missing… new laptop is i7 Gen11 though.

Old one was i5 gen 7 I think and the odd rock or tree in the distance was missing but not really noticable to me unless I was looking for it.

If I am missing anything it must be amazingly realistic because I am amazed at the visuals I see.

Works fine on my 2012 MacBook Pro (integrated graphics) with BT dongle, though I use an Apple TV these days for convenience.

You’re best using GPXmagic to smooth your .gpx course before e-mailing it to RGT. If you don’t want to spend too much time on it the “One-click Quick-fix” button would sort most gradient problems like this, plus smooth the corners etc…

I’ve created a few magic roads recently for races I’ll be doing next year and I’ve got some really good results using GPXmagic.

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Agreed with using GPX magic for magic roads. The one click quick fix does a pretty good job. I have found that one does need to be careful of two scenarios when making magic roads. If you use RideWithGPS or something like that to create the GPX files, you will need to fix any bridge/stream/etc crossings as they usually take the elevation down to sealevel or to the level of the road underneath, and that causes some big time elevation discrepancies compared to real life. If you use an actual ride file as your base GPX, you will find that the elevation might be smoother but the GPX course is all over the place and doesnt load well into RGT, as every little movement from your real ride is mimicked into magic roads (so even straight roads end up being slightly wobbly and such).

The only complaint I have with RGT is how quickly you lose speed going up moderate inclines compared to real life. I don’t know if its a quirk in their physics model for heavier riders (220 lbs), but when I compare a magic road ride to outdoors at the same gradient, RGT’s speed in game is like you slammed on the brakes as you start to go up a small hill. Conversely, pedaling down the backside of the hill is like being shot out of a cannon compared to real life, so while overall the avg MPH feels “correct” compared to outdoors, its not “smooth”.
On another topic, I’m glad they went back to a single app, it used to be like that in the early beta days before they made the insane decision to split the game into two apps.

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I raced today on RGT and was very impressed. I think I prefer the pack dynamics to Zwift: I had to pay more attention to remain in the draft and there were lots of little attacks and surges to counter, but there are also micro rests as you descend, take corners or brake when you overtake someone, and having feedback as to how many watts you need to hold to remain in draft gives ample opportunity to recover if you pay attention.

There were also three successful breakaways, and a split in the reduced bunch toward the finish. Overall it felt a lot more like real racing rather than the “sit in relatively easily and then hammer every climb” aspect of Zwift racing. Nice group of racers too and no obvious cheating or ridiculous wattages going on. And free to race, fairly simple to set up. Overall, high marks for sure.

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Same. First tried RGT after Zwift took over ZwiftPower and started running it into the ground. Found the overall experience better so moved over to it. Impressive what they’ve done with a much smaller team and budget.

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99% of my training is outside, and last night I was on the trainer for the first time in 9 months. Used RGT to run sim mode with my Kickr direct-drive, while I executed the workout on my Garmin 530. The goal was to make inside more like outside. Here are my thoughts:

  • with difficulty set to 100% it felt like riding outside :+1: :+1: :+1: during the two laps I did on Leuven course
  • prefer the new ‘only one app required’ approach vs Zwift app + controller, and optionally you can use phone as controller
  • RGT was running on my MacBook, but I could have used iPhone or AppleTV :+1:
  • they appear to rotate the free courses, yesterday it was Leuven, Templehof Airport, and Iron Horse Durango. Today Durango is premium and Cap Formentor has taken its place.
  • overall it just worked and fantastic for free given I only use the trainer a handful or two times a year

Wasn’t looking much at my laptop, however I prefer the graphics over Zwift. My experiences with Zwift were 4 years ago after buying the Kickr, and I can’t compare the physics engine. Passed a couple people, and was passed during recovery interval, so no comments on drafting/racing.

MacBook connected via Bluetooth to Kickr, Wahoo cadence sensor, and Garmin HRM.

Stuff I attribute to my equipment and/or noisy radio environment:

  • Garmin was connected to same via ANT+ and at one point in ~1 hour workout had a 10 second power/cadence drop out. However I’ve seen that before dual recording with TR, or dual recording with Zwift, so I’m going to say the issue is my equipment and/or environment. My garage is not radio friendly - I had a LOT of ANT+ dropouts on TR using an older MacBook, with ANT+ dongle hanging from usb cable and about a foot from crank and Kickr. Switching TR to BT mostly resolved the problem.
  • Cadence was a little wacky at times, after the ride I checked and applied a software update for that sensor. Not sure if the issue was software, the ancient 2014 sensor, or the Giant Escape city hybrid bike I mounted on the Kickr. Annoying that 2017 Kickr doesn’t transmit cadence, and this grocery store bike doesn’t have a power meter with cadence.
  • had to stop mid workout and fix my front fork mounting to InsideRide floating fork stand

100% recommend trying RGT. I guess the downside is the number of riders, wasn’t an issue for me although I never understood all the random thumbs up on Zwift. The RGT race calendar is not as active as Zwift, if using sim mode for racing is your thing.

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Thanks for sharing. For me, “not many riders” is a good thing. When I used to Zwift, I would always hack into other words to ride alone.

I tried RGT a week or two ago, logged in, saw that the only free roads available were all flat, was disappointed, but logged into one, and everything was really dark and gray. It was like riding in Transylvania. I logged out without trying one of the other flat roads. Knowing they rotate tells me I should try again.

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Leuven is rolling and really good for doing intervals IMHO. Pienza course also looks interesting for intervals. Cap Formentor has a couple long-ish climbs, would be my choice today but the rain stopped and I’m going outside for 2 hours.

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For any FB users, looks like RGTC will be starting a new podcast related to the app. Goes live tomorrow.

Not sure if they will offer other methods to get it, but I will report back if I learn of more options.

Edit: I need to get my glasses checked. This is pulled from the FB post:

As with the Ask Us Anything series it will be live-streamed across Facebook and Youtube so we still want to encourage questions from the community but we will also release it on all the usual podcast sites.

So, should be available in several places eventually.

Gosh I hope so. Facebook podcasts, what a ridiculous idea.

I totally agree. But I am withholding judgement until we see how they handle it :stuck_out_tongue:

Edit to add, I just asked them about their plans (via the post above) and will see what they say.

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What is this thing you call Facebook? Is that anything like Kramer’s coffee table book?

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