I know which study you referring to 
the largest subgroup was age 30 - 39 btw.
Medically a person with a cardiac event before the age of 40 is considered “very young”, 40 - 49 is considered young
This thread has some good points, and also a lot of reinforcement for stereotypes of vegans. Good read.
No. It was an analysis of young people. The first study done post-Korean War using enlisted casualties, highest age was ~22. A subsequent study done after that using accident death casualties (and a much larger and diverse population) has an age range from ~5-~25.
In both studies it revealed something like 80% of hearts had some degree of fat build-up.
Details are somewhat fuzzy. 
Do you think the context is different here? Personally (as a long-time vegan) I have no gripe with killing an animal for necessary survival means - that’s how we got to this day and age. If you don’t mind me asking some questions…
Do you think we can farm animals to feed everybody on the planet in the same ‘free-range’ style of your parents?
With respect to the animal in mind, if we can agree that animal products are unnecesary, would it not be most respectful to leave the animal alone?
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Honestly, not really, but I also can’t say if we’re producing more product than the world (or country). I’m not educated enough to know whether large scale farming is more of an American thing than anything else.
Maybe, but again I don’t know enough to say whether it’s possible for villagers in Europe, for example, to be able to eat vegan given the types of crops they can sustain and the importing of other products that enable veganism.
I guess where I stand is that it seems that veganism is something more easily enabled in an urbanized western setting where we have the benefit of getting so much different stuff. I think it’s easy for us to say this or that about how all people should eat without knowing what it takes for some people to really live (I’m saying this as a general point, not as something you said)
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That wasn’t exactly what I was saying, rather it’s the access to more exotic foods that aren’t always available in other places that aren’t importing them. We get a lot of stuff here in the US from around the world, that I think makes a vegan lifestyle more doable comapred to some other places where all the foods aren’t imported.
Rice isn’t something that is grown everywhere, though, lots of fruits are also difficult to grow in a lot of places. Quinoa, soy stuff, etc. Definitely not locally sourced. Again, I think it’s easy for us to think about what’s available where we are that is trucked in and not the challenges of actually eating purely locally and vegan.
Heck yes it’s easier but cheaper is debatable.
I spent $40 to kill (harvest, murder, whatever other term one wants to use) 3 non-captive deer last year. The vast majority of meat consumed in my household is from those 3 deer and we still have some left yet, even after donating some to friends and family. Of course we eat plants as well but I’m certain that costs more than $40/year.
I realize I’m one of the very few (relatively speaking) in the US doing this though. I hunt due to some of the reasons shared here about the meat industry’s practices. I’m certainly not opposed to being plant based IF I could ever find studies showing MEAT ALONE causes serious health issues.
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Just sharing an option that’s cheap in some cases. It also greatly reduces some of the issues @Chester_Grimpeur brought up.
I found it unwatchable because I don’t appreciate when people try to persuade you by plucking almost random examples (seriously, the McGregor / Diaz example was ludicrous) and sticking them all together in a documentary. It comes across as deceptive. It did provoke me to do my own research and understand all these arguments in a bit more detail though - so i’ll give it that.
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BlockquoteIF I could ever find studies showing MEAT ALONE causes serious health issues.
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The thing is, how would a researcher study that?
not my area of expertise.
Actually, I thought you were.
Did you miss the bit when I said “breed, so they are more manageable” ? This was in response to you asking “what shall we do with all the cows and pigs if we don’t eat them”.
As you were.
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Just a hunch, but I think it might be statements like this that turn off the omnivores. 
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Sure they are. So are other humans. Humans treat everything horribly.
I’d rather focus on solving human suffering – the real game changer – before moving on to animal suffering.
Me thinks it’s an endless road ahead. 
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Not an endless road, but sure as hell a long one!
When you say, let’s start with ending human suffering and THEN get on with animals. My question is, what stops us from doing both ? Keep in mind that rapid deforestation that is directly behind meat industry, is going to cause massive suffering to humans that directly rely on those areas for living. Indirectly, it is one of the contributors to changes to our climate that WILL create massive migrations due to water and food shortages.
Everything is tied in together.
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Offhand, I am fairly certain I’ve posted this before. It is a handy table that shows amount of energy needed to produce a certain type of food.
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You don’t have to be an animal activist before a human right activisit (there are plenty already), all that’s really being asked is to stop your input into animal suffering. Which is as simple as choosing the alternative option three times a day - while you focus on the human suffering.
Again it comes back to neccessity. If we agree that it is unneccesary to kill animals, but we only choose to do so for our pleasure, the same anology could be used if I were to just “kick a dog three times a day for my pleasure”.
Then I could use your logic: " I’d rather focus on solving human suffering – the real game changer – before moving on to animal suffering." When really all I should do is to stop kicking the dog.
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Genuine questions. Are you actually doing anything proactive to do this? Do any steps to reduce human suffering prevent simultaneously taking steps to prevent animal suffering?
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