Has anyone used Adaptive Training with Traditional Base 1 LV? I’m doing that though I modified the plan so my plan workouts are TuWTh, and rating all of the workouts as “moderate”, and I’ve yet to get a single adaptation. I’m curious if this is expected behavior or a bug worthy of reporting.
Even though I’ve been on TR since ancient times, this is my first time following TR plans and using Adaptive Training.
Interesting. If correct, TR should note this on the plans
I’d be surprised if that’s the case, as adaptive training should be entirely training plan agnostic (it just changes future workouts based on your performance in similar workouts).
Seems to me that a rating of moderate is exactly what you’d be going for with endurance rides, so I don’t see why AT would change anything for @AlphaDogCycling
I don’t think this is true, based on the FAQ:
They adapt even if you added them to your calendar without Plan Builder:
If moderate is within the bounds of what that plan expects for those workouts, then AT has no reason to adapt future workouts. If you feel like the difficulty is off, you can fiddle with it by getting more dramatic with your responses (maybe very easy to get harder workouts, maybe hard to get easier workouts).
i don’t understand how you would adapt traditional base? just add time, keep intensity around 65% ish. Adaptive training for endurance level rides is incredibly pointless
Adaptations will vary with each user. Consider that someone might come in brand new or with very low Progression Levels, but a decent level of fitness that Adaptive Training doesn’t “know”. It’s possible they would progress faster in terms of Endurance Workout Levels than the default plan applied for a low PL rider.
Then consider that there is more to Traditional Base than pure Endurance workouts. Phase 1 is nearly Endurance exclusive, but Phases 2 & 3 step into plenty of Tempo, Sweet Spot and Threshold. As such, those will also be subject to rating and adaption.
I get that people often consider Traditional Base as all Endurance, but the truth with respect to the TR plan versions is quite different.
Since this is the first time I’m using AT, and not sure what should be happening. To Chad’s point, I threw in an endurance 5.0 workout - higher PL than the plan workouts - and that didn’t trigger an adaptations. So not sure if this is expected behavior or not
Exactly how did you do or add this to your TR calendar?
What was your Endurance PL before this workout and how did you rate that workout?
What phase are you currently in (presumably Phase 1)?
What are the Workout Levels for the upcoming Endurance workouts?
As you can see, there are a number of details here, and likely more that I haven’t even touched upon. When in doubt, an email to TR is likely the best step for questions like this since they have direct access to so much more than we have on the forum, even when you provide decent info.
Indoor TR workout I manually added to my calendar and completed successfully. I rated this workout as moderate. Looking back at my calendar, the PL increase was only 0.2 from 4.8 → 5.0
OK, a 0.2 increase is rather small generally speaking, with 0.5 or so as what I see in general TR trends. Unless your pending workouts were at or below the 5.0 rating of the one you added and completed, I would not expect any changes to pending workouts.
If you had made a jump of 0.75 or more, I would expect that to drive plenty of changes.
Pretty basic Adaptive Training Question: If I want to replace a scheduled weekend TR workout with an outside group ride (yes, I realize these aren’t the same), what’s the best way to do this:
I tried searching the TR Blog, but I couldn’t find the answer to this question. From searching the TR blog for the answer to this, it really feels like TR needs an Adaptive Training FAQ based off of the questions people ask in this forum on how best to use AT.
TR support has said before you can leave a skipped workout there or delete it. Either way, it doesn’t matter.
aiFTP looks at all your completed rides.
AT looks at all the TR workouts you’ve done.
Those you skipped are ignored by these two features.
So it becomes an esthetic choice: do you care if your calendar shows a bunch of untouched workouts? I don’t, so I don’t delete.
Thanks
I’ve been looking for this same answer but instead of group rides I’m interested in seeing progressions from races. @AlphaDogCycling When it comes to group rides, I have tried finding a workout similar to it, uploading it to my Garmin and letting it run in the background. TR then gives me credit for the workout and the associated progression increases, if any. @trainerroad Is there anyway to get progressions from races with AT?
Got adaptations for my traditional training block which is supposed to start next week and I think TR is finally trying to kill me:
HTFU! 
Haha, just kidding
Yo! Based on the context here, it looks like that was a workout that replaced the Ramp Test at the start of your plan – is that correct?
If so, that workout should adapt to an appropriate level for you once you’ve begun the block. Since that new plan starts next week for you, that would explain why things look a little funky – you’ll start getting adaptations tailored to your current fitness once you’re actually in that training block.
That said, it did look like the workout should have been an Endurance ride rather than a Sweet Spot workout for the Traditional Base plan you slotted in, so I went ahead and refreshed your plan to get a more appropriate workout loaded up on that day for you.
Generating better suggested workouts to replace the Ramp Test at the start of plans is something we’re working on at the moment, so this should be an issue that goes away as we continue to improve TR. 
Yup and thank you for correcting!
