This is probably wrong (in addition to the unknowns), but here is a stab:
Don’t know if this has been resolved but since my Day 1 is a Sunday (which break plan builder) if I wait until the last minute to move the workout back an additional day will all appropriate adaptions be taken into account?
Chad, great minds and all. There’s a nugget of something here for us.
What’s an unstructured workout?
some group rides, or solo rides, where there are loose goals like:
- ride leader says “flat and windy route so we are doing long tempo efforts”
- 3 hours endurance and toss in a few sweet spot efforts
- 10 mile climb out and back
I think it’s best to move things a day beforehand
Okay, but for any kind of logic to be applied AT would need to know the goal - which it won’t - so surely these should be processed like any unstructured ride?
The context of my statement is with respect to Progression Level updating. Some “unstructured” rides are in fact non-TR structured workouts, and should update Progression Levels in my opinion.
I’m in the AT beta, and have a coach.
And yes, I fully understand that AT requires PlanBuilder.
Don’t know if this was an intended consequence but has anyone else had post recovery weeks adapt to training levels equal to pre-recovery week? I changed over to the beta middle of my recovery week which may have also caused this ML issue.
I accepted the changes but just found the change interesting.
Here is the comparison
Without ML:
With ML:
It’s even more discrete than this. Structured is a workout designed in some tool or in the TR catalog and played back on one of the TR apps or on a device to be followed in precise steps. Anything else is unstructured.
How stuff is processed, or should be processed, is another whole converation 
Did you update the survey for Echo -3 to “I did not struggle”, which should have triggered the pass survey, which would in turn have updated your PL’s?
- I was never asked to fill out a survey, post-ride I pulled up both the TR Mobile app (iOS) and website on my iPhone
- From mobile Safari on iPhone I clicked the … and told the survey “I did not struggle” and then was asked to rate it (gave it a medium), as per an earlier post in this thread
- Repeated step 2 several times, over 2 days
- Never asked to fill out a pass survey
Just checked again - I can’t find an option to fill out a survey on TR Mobile app (latest beta). And therefore on mobile I have to pull up TR calendar in mobile Safari, open the workout, and click … in order to fill out the survey. All done outside, post-ride, while having a beer with my brother-in-law.
I had a similar thing happen that I was going to feed back to Support today. I started AT in a recovery week and on Friday it moved the start of the Recovery week to Friday, but it still finished on Sunday.
I expect it maybe is because my Wednesday and Thursday workouts were self selected and not Recovery.
I know this has probably been spoken on at some point in this thread, but can @mcneese.chad post the Survey guidelines for a completed workout? Such as, what a “moderate” should feel like…
As you said, that process should have updated the PL’s after you selected Medium.
Despite what I tried to refine as a “guide”, it was not a great idea.
TR suggests rating them as you feel them, and being consistent with your ratings. The Machine Learning in AT aims to review the workouts, and your response, to make a more customized adjustment of your Progression Levels and workout adaptations.
Essentially, my 4-Very Hard does not have to match your 4-Very Hard, as one example.
I need to test FTP but I prefer Kolie Moore over TR’s Ramp Test. Does anyone know if that would create any probs once I start AT?
Thanks. Difficult to not overthink.
Rating it medium is the pass survey. But it is a known issue that it gives you the fail survey first.
And yes, the only way to access outdoor workout surveys at the moment is in the way that you did. I’ve not gotten a single prompt to fill one out, and I’ve not heard any other users say they’ve been prompted with one for an outdoor workout.