Workout Levels V2 update? [Unstructured Rides]

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No, he won’t. Neither all the rest of my friends who ride more race-oriented. Part self-coached, part Xert, part Join.

Totally agree, I don’t think any training plan is able to identify the particularities of each athlete. I used those platforms more as a guide and maybe laziness/lack of ability to design my workouts.

I’m using Join because is way cheaper and adapts to unstructured rides. I know it isn’t perfect though, so I still use my feelings to accept/do my schedule.

Join also has better integration with training peaks.

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For anyone who wants to ride outside, there’s always Outside Workouts! :grin:

Almost all of the elite athletes that I know of are training (doing their workouts) outside as shown below.

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They might go on unstructured rides in addition sometimes, but I doubt that they’re taking those into consideration when calculating fitness aside from accounting for the TSS.

We’ll be bringing a feature to score unstructured activities but for the time being, just enjoy your riding.

Your fitness will show up in your TR workouts and your PLs will adjust accordingly based on your performance there.

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So when is this being released?
i was hoping for today, felt like it it should have been today for some reason.

cant wait to see how useless my zwift races are xDDDD

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We really have no idea. But based on last weeks podcast, it sounds like WLV2 will come after RLGL.

Starts around here with some feature connections mentioned around 45:30,

Timing mentioned:

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or useful, you just don’t know :rofl:

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And their coaches are managing their performance manager chart (PMC). Both in terms of TSS and the content of their interval days. Endurance rides are unstructured. Their is some real science of human performance and the PMC. :man_shrugging:

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I am curious what unstructured rides you are referring to if not analyzed would lead to an incomplete picture?

TR allows you to complete workouts outside which would then be credited towards your PL. What unstructured rides do you feel gives missing information to “how fit someone is” if they are not structured workouts?

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Just like training in any other zone, Endurance is not “unstructured.”

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The key to outside workouts is finding the right course. When doing outside rides I would often either do repeats for the intervals up a hill or we have a nice little one-way loop in my area that is pretty ideal for most types of intervals - it’s kinda like a real zwift island.

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I used to live someplace with a park with a wide multi use path with a 7 mile loop. It was perfect for intervals

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I’m not the OP, but an obvious example is if I go out on Sunday for an unstructured ride and end up doing multiple threshold, tempo, or vo2 “intervals” for multiple minutes at a time, even if unintentional, just because I don’t have any blue bars doesn’t mean I didn’t do the work and it won’t impact both my ability to achieve a future workout or need rest/a different ride than was planned on Monday

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Is anyone else having a sense of dejavu and that this is going in circles infinitely?

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Quick note on this – AT does already analyze your power from a workout and recognizes if you’ve adhered to the target power and then uses that information to influence adaptations. For example, if you’re overachieving, you’ll get ramped up more quickly. Similarly, if a workout was really challenging, AT may slow your progression. :slight_smile:

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That is my usual fatbike ride on Sunday and Saturday during winter time:

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That’s my group ride on Zwfit.

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Summer time the weekend rides can be workouts - not unestrutered. But the Wednesday group rides are killers. 90% of my PR came from them. It’s just full gas all the time.

Look this last Wednesday, I did my best 20min for my season - started on Nov 6th.

Fatbike rides it’s almost impossible to follow an endurance workout, it’s mtb trails.

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that’s precisely my point

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Lots of people are doing intervals on their Peloton. All I am saying is that “we” (see what I did there :stuck_out_tongue:) should avoid making over generalizations.

I do understand that there are many people for whom intervals feel like a chore. Trust me, I do understand the appeal of “just riding”, especially in nice weather and in beautiful scenery.

I also know people who either don’t like structured training at all or grew tired of it. That’s totally cool, they are all true cyclists. :slight_smile: Just to circle back to the topic: is the issue (lack of) adherence to a training plan if someone lets it rip on a group ride or Zwift race and is fatigued? If in addition the intervals (= vitamins) feel like a chore and motivation suffers? I’d say that maybe this type of riding isn’t ideally suited for you.

PLs do not measure fatigue. But the upcoming traffic light feature does. (According to the last podcast, this feature is very close to shipping. I hope I haven’t jinxed it by “writing this out loud” in the forum.) Your PL tells you what workouts are currently achievable and gives you a range for e. g. workouts that currently go slightly beyond that.

But that doesn’t mean I have to go to the limit. Tomorrow morning I’m doing a recovery workout with an endurance PL 1.6. I’m currently at endurance PL 4.8. The main purpose of PLs is to tell you what workouts are within your abilities, which are productive, which ones are a stretch and which ones are not recommended.

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Unlikely. I do enjoy riding inside. I know many dont. Safety was a reason that had me riding inside more frequently but since I purchased a rocker plate a few years ago I really do prefer any workout of intensity to be inside. I just do them better inside.

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I got your point and completely understand. I see myself every once in a while tired of intervals, and when this happens I take a time off them and just ride along. That’s why I constantly refer to mental burnout. Follow the number, minutes every single workout, it’s overwhelming. Doing this exclusively indoors is even worse.

I also understand the value of indoor training and how effective it is. I started cycling while living in Brazil, riding indoors was unthinkable. But now I live in Canada, where cycling outdoors all year round is hard, so I changed my approach to indoor cycling and even started to enjoy it a bit - I must add I started to enjoy it when I replaced my DD turbo for a dumb roller.

In regards to PL, AI, etc. Also agree and understand. PL will give me the boundaries for my next workouts based on what I did. But that doesn’t mean I and locked in those workouts. I can play around, and it was precisely what I used to do when TR subscriber.

My criticism, or maybe customer desire, is that I’d love to have a full week with 3 structured days plus 2 free rides (usually hard rides) days - I know I can do that. What I cannot do, and I wish I could, is having those two free workouts count towards my Training Plan, read by AP and all my workouts being a homogenous package without the need to play around workout levels, etc.

1 step ahead, I’d love to be able to export the workouts to Training Peaks to execute them on Zwfit - again, since I replaced my turbo for rollers Zwit is a whole lot better, maybe just the honeymoon effect, who cares, it’s better, enjoy it.

Having said that, Join offers me all I want, charging me 1/3, sorry TR.

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And you can sustain this workload… throughout a training block… without over reaching? God bless you, my friend! I certainly wish I had that level of fitness!

This is coming… (hopefully) soon (he says with optimism)! :crossed_fingers:

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The 3 structured (TR prescribed) won’t be HIIT, for sure. I can’t sustain that.

If this happens, I’ll be a TR subscriber the very same day.