I only run for fun or when I have limited time. Not too bothered about having any structured. I do manually add my runs to the calendar after completing them, so just having them imported would be enough for me
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I think that Stryd support would be very much in line with Trainerroadās data driven approach. While it is by no means perfect yet, the power based run workouts provide many of the same benefits as a cycling power meter for changing terrain and wind conditions. I think that supporting power, pace, and rpe targets would be a good start for revamping the current run plans in order to cater to everyone and future proof the next round of plans.
Also, while I have other resources for run specific plans, it would be nice to be able to split up the components of the tri plans when adding them to the calendar so that you could mix and match volumes for the three different sports or for example just use the Olympic tri run plan on its own if I were training specifically for a 10k while still doing some train now workouts on the bike.
So far based on survey responses, the desire for Stryd support is low.
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As someone who saw the running survey and was HELL YEAH and was basically positive on everything, Stryd was zero for me. But that could totally change for people if it actually was useful.
Something to also think about is Iām sure Iām not the only one who may break up the year based on weather and boredom of running/outside-riding/indoor-riding with a little bit of overlap.
As Iāve gotten into running more this year the TR calendar and functions became useless for me and I was keeping an eye on intervals.icu more and more.
Iām not running currently due to an injury but am heavily using TrainNow and wonder how different it would be if it took into account running.
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Pace over Power 100% and did you think about adopting a optional run add on for CX plans? Running is not just for Tri.
Iām not a triathlete, I just run sometimes (and Iām maybe going to do a 10k this year? itās unclear).
- import completed run activities into the TR calendar: 5
- automatically associate imported completed run activities with planned run activities: 5
- See my run personal records across season and individual workouts (distance based and time IE best 5k time): 1
- automatically detect my FTP and develop training zones from it: 1
- have run workouts in Tri/running training plans adapt with AT: 1
- running specific training plans that target 5k, 10k, HM, M or distances that work with PB: 3
- paced based workouts create from unique running progression levels and running FTP: 2
- Send run workouts to my watch to complete outdoors: 3
- Stryd foot pod support: 1
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Which is kind of funny considering trās claim to fame is power based workouts. Even if I keep my run courses relatively consistent, the pace on them changes with the seasons.
Just like with cycling too, the faster the pace, the increase in power necessary to go that pace is not linear.
But it is one more gadget to keep up with, and I think it isnāt compliant with all devices.
There is huge value in this.
Many are used to actual pace than the RPE used currently. Although i do understand RPE now (or so i think), pace is what we like
The problem here is prescribing the right pace.
This need to have probably something similar to the macmillan or jack Daniels running calculator.
In running people use threshold to describe the speed they can run non stop for 1hr. This one is just pace and many calculators use this to estimate paces. To get the proper T pace we do assessment usually in the form of a time trialā¦ 1 to 3 miles as fast as you can go. Then interpolate from thereā¦ Is not super exact but it can get the job done in most cases.
The biggest gain here is prescribing the right pace after hard bike wo
@Nate_Pearson I think if you did a good job on running you could get a nice new member boost because this is not being done that well yet by many (certainly less competition than cycling space) so only 18% within your member base relfects an opportunity not a limitation! For example in South Africa, i woild guess there are literally 10 runners for every cyclist (although i would concede many may not be able to pay for a subscription service as by its nature is more accesible)
Iād strongly suggest getting good expert run coach, and triathlon coach input and being cautious not to overfit a cycling training approach and models onto these sports.
I think if you get the integration/interaction right across sports it will be a crown jewel.
While not that many out there and clearly trainerroad wants to differentiate,i would check out user experience for Garmin AI coaches, and apps like Trenara.
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Polar, please.
What about using Stryd on the treadmill as a run pod and using it to measure pace and intervals? In other words, TR would be on your iPhone/iPad displaying target pace just like on the trainer for a bike. This would allow one to do treadmill workouts using trainerroad.
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I would personally really value run workouts taking bike workouts in to consideration (and vice versa) within AT. For example, Iām following a Triathlon plan and ran 10 miles at 3min 48sec per km average on Sunday. That was hard and my. Legs are pretty battered. It would have been ideal for my workout today to have reflected that hard effort.
As it is, I completed the prescribed workout because Iām Type A, but I have to wonder if it dug a bit of a hole.
Edit: pace per km
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I agree. Itās kind of weird that, on the one hand, TR offers triathlon training plans and on the other doesnāt quite support runs and swims and doesnāt integrate them beyond a plan and a check mark.
It feels that tri/running continues to be left behind in TR. Thatās understandable as it appears that the development of new features gets prioritized by asking a predominantly cycling population what they want.
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You ran 10 miles at sub-4 minute mile pace? Wow - you definitley donāt need anyone to write you a training plan! 
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- import completed run activities into the TR calendar 5
- automatically associate imported completed run activities with planned run activities 5
- See my run persona records across season and individual workouts (distance based and time IE best 5k time) 4
- automatically detect my FTP and develop training zones from it. 4
- have run workouts in Tri/running training plans adapt with AT 5
- running specific training plans that target 5k, 10k, HM, M or distances that work with PB 3
- paced based workouts create from unique running progression levels and running FTP 5
- Send run workouts to my watch to complete outdoors 5
- Stryd foot pod support 5 ā would like to make a case for āRUNNING POWER SUPPORTā. I am a firm believer in running with power but can see how Iām in the minority here.
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There are actually a bunch of AI/ML running apps/programs. I can think of a couple running apps off hand (PACE Running App, TrainAsONE, Garmin Suggested Workout and Garmin Coach). Not to mention several apps/programs that support triathlon (2PEAK, PKRS.AI, TriDot, AI Endurance, Triq, Athletica). I have tried a several of these and was not super impressed. I feel like TR could do better (and hope they do!). I also agree that there could be a boost in subscribers. However, the running specific apps typically have a lower price point.
Guess Iāll join the scrum. I assume itās too late for getting the email survey.
Mostly just trying to figure out how corral my biking & run data in one place. Stuff other than that (lifting, yoga, climbing, xc skiing) Iām fine with just putting in manually.
- import completed run activities into the TR calendar 5
- automatically associate imported completed run activities with planned run activities 5
- See my run persona records across season and individual workouts (distance based and time IE best 5k time) 3, not especially important but itād be interesting
- automatically detect my FTP and develop training zones from it. 1, I donāt know what this means in a running context.
- have run workouts in Tri/running training plans adapt with AT 1
- running specific training plans that target 5k, 10k, HM, M or distances that work with PB 1
- paced based workouts create from unique running progression levels and running FTP 1
- Send run workouts to my watch to complete outdoors 2
- Stryd foot pod support 1
I already got the survey mail, answered and then came running right to this thread to follow the discussion.
My answers were aligned with a lot of the posts above (everything but stryd). But the recent discussions on the podcast relating to MVPs and priorities made me think about what people have actually been asking for here, and whatās possible. This thread dates from 2018, when the request was just to show run/swim workouts without any mention of even TSS! Since then a lot of people have bumped this with a +1, but a lot of different expectations. Whatever rolls out then someoneās going to be disappointedā¦ like always.
Iām very interested to see how TR can use AI/ML to produce dynamic run/swim progessions. I guess thatāll be a long way down the road, as the complexity in bringing in two more sports and balancing the planning across all three seems very high.
I can see a lot of crossover with the teased upcoming features for cycling : taking unstructured outdoor rides into account for PL, and advanced scheduling within a day. I know that if I do a monster swim session (not aligned with the TR plan) Thursday night Iām going to be pushing my Friday morning bike workout to the middle of the day instead of the morning.
Honestly, the introduction of AT for cycling has raised the bar for my expectations of how a training program should work - and my expectations for run/swim have gone up too. Which means that I wouldnāt be surprised if it takes a long time to get there. Not too long please, Iām not getting any younger.
I suspect that thereās a market for adaptive run training only (as bfrostieone suggests at a lower price point), however, despite pace being the real runners metric, Iād really like to see RPE or HR zone kept as options. Current TR run workouts are in RPE, and itās a lot easier to manage over varied terrain. I live in a valley with basically zero flat running routes, which was a big restriction when trying to follow a Garmin Coach plan based on pace.
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Today I discovered what I consider to be a slight flaw in the non-communication and non- adjustment between AT bike workouts and run / swim workoutsā¦
Calendar states pettit + brick run. Cool, I probably have pettit in there because I completed an outdoor endurance workout a few weeks backs and AT is just catching up.
Went to double check the prescribed run workout and noticed that it was based on the original workout being a 3hr endurance ride.
Now, sure, itās my plan, I shouldāve checked etc, etc, however, I thought pettit had been added as the start of a recovery week.
It seems like a bit of a red flag to me since runs arenāt adjusting to reflect bike adaptations.
No real conclusion to be drawn, and Iām not angry or disappointed, but wanted to raise it to the team here.
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Itās a chicken and egg situation for me - I didnāt get a power meter until after using virtual power for a while and seeing the amount of literature on pacing triathlon by power.
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