Sad to see that there is not more love for Stryd… I combines perfectly with the whole TR mindset/data.
One thing that really irks me that could have been implemented a long time ago is the simple possibility of putting a running race on the calendar. If I want mark the day of an 10k/HM, whatever if have to figure out some equivalent bike time trial.
Just let me put running race and a box where I can estimate my own TSS
Previously you could put a running race on TR, this function was removed with the invention of Plan Builder as the running races confused plan builder I believe.
I think there’s an opportunity here to introduce at least basic tracking and maybe at some point structured workouts based on power.
I agree it’s still a niche, but the run power community is growing (most of the people I know who converted to training by run power remain “believers” ). So, at least recording the data and displaying it would also be a step towards a “one platform” approach. I am currently using TP, TR and Stryd platform…
Second, it would be fantastic if the proposition goes as far as introducing AT for running AND that running power is included. None of the AI platforms I know (humango, triq) are currently supporting running power.
I wonder whether it is really that much harder to just design the code in such a way to structure zones and workouts by a metric of choice (HR, pace, power - not going into pros and cons of each). Having quite some IT experience, I actually think, it would be easiest to build this flexibility in upfront rather than building the typical “mvp”. The cost of doing this later might be much higher.
Obviously, I am biased and trying to make the case for a feature that 99% probably don’t care/don’t want. But I will also write to Santa Clause and maybe a small miracle happens
Stryd is not the only way to get power while running (although it is might be the best). Several companies have wrist based power, and Garmin has power with an add-on or with their higher end chest strap. Hopefully power will be shown, whether it’s from Stryd or another source.
Isn’t there the possibility of “virtual run power”?
Taking the TR line from cycling on bringing structured workouts to the masses, easy days easy, hard days hard and so on, I think a power meter makes it more accurate but isn’t required.
Differently to cycling perhaps, pace-based or HR based training indoors is imperfect but okay as a treadmill fixes output unlike old school dumb trainer that fixes resistance. Run power meters are more useful when addressing outdoor workouts and the variability of gradient, I would think, and more recently wind. So you could release in a similar way cycling workouts progressed from indoor only to outdoor RPE to outdoor power?
Incidentally certain, ahem, other platforms have a different problem with indoor running. In that they have taught users to believe power meters are accurate and comparably accurate such that you can have equitable races using them. Wearables might solve this if they were widely distributed and accurate enough which they aren’t currently - a virtual run power might resolve this.
Think this thread is really starting to over-complicate a sport that doesn’t need to be that complicated. The best distance runners in the world (Kenyans, Ethiopians) aren’t running around in training using power meters or looking at advanced analytics after runs… just lots of miles (sometimes fast), lots of rest and a healthy diet. Genetics and training at altitude obviously helps as well.
I’m guilty of spending too much time look at analytics myself… I know way faster guys who don’t bother with any of that stuff.
It’s a good point, but I’d like to see the TR crew assess running the same way they went through cycling and find out.
I didn’t have the time to cycle outside all week to become the fastest me on a bike, if they can help me become the fastest me on foot then I‘m all for it.
Equally the same runners have come to benefit massively from carbon-plated running shoes. I think tech has its place and for us average joes without altitude, big running cultures and endless hours to train, the benefits are probably even bigger.
I don’t use/value Stryd or power on runs because the data is not that useful to me. But if/when TR eventually makes good use of power data for running, I’ll get a run power device just to make my TR experience better.
Another “chicken and egg” issue. Some of us will get power, when you ask for it.
As for the survey, two points influence my thinking significantly: first, I see running, cycling, and triathlon as different disciplines and want to enjoy each of them by doing them all reasonably well; and second, all sport is for me a way to stay healthy and happy and inject some challenge/fun into my day. I don’t race.
The only things I care about NOW (meaning, what I’d consider a minimum viable product) are:
import completed run activities into the TR calendar 5
automatically associate imported completed run activities with planned run activities 5
See my run personal records across season and individual workouts (distance based and time IE best 5k time) 4
For the future, someday when TR can make them available:
automatically detect my FTP and develop training zones from it. 5
have run workouts in Tri/running training plans adapt with AT 4
running specific training plans that target 5k, 10k, HM, M or distances that work with PB 5
paced based workouts create from unique running progression levels and running FTP 4
Send run workouts to my watch to complete outdoors 4
As it relates to running, I think the points of interest I would highlight for any TR developments are the following:
Automatically upload the workout.
Track intervals whether that be from a preloaded workout or me clicking the lap setting on the watch.
Incorporate a test to determine baseline metrics since you can base speed targets off certain distances (e.g., if you have a 5K of “X”, then your target paces are as follows…". You can refine this based on PRs for 1 mile, 5k, 10k, etc.
Focus should probably be on heart rate, pace, and RPE since the power element is less reliable for running given inconsistent biomechanics for each runner vs the more standardized motion of pedaling (i.e., too many unaccounted for variables).
Estimate TSS based on heart rate since you’ll have RPE survey results and actual pace data. We can always recalibrate based on RPE scoring.
You should be able to see how many have power data (from Stryd’s in the IQ data or from a Polar/Coros in the real power track) if you have access to the Garmin Connect data.
Wrist based running power on a Garmin could flip the importance of this pretty rapidly. In addition to that, it’s certainly a chicken and egg problem: Stryd’s app has no triathlon support and TR has no Stryd support.
I currently map the RPE to power zones. Fairly straightforward with the current (very simple) running workouts.