I am aware of what they are. I was curious as to how you would use them in tr?
By TR calculating your WR similar to Athletica it could be used in live scenarios manage your efforts in real time in fondo’s.
CP replaces FTP are the progress measure.
The model is good at showing the depletion but fails at accurately modeling the recovery. I don’t see how it would be helpful in this case?
CP and FTP are the same thing. The “advantages” of the CP model are completely replaced by a well fed PDC which has far more resolution.
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If you can’t see the value of wr live and can’t understand that ftp and cp are related and can for some be close and that cp is a more accurate measure than ftp we will have leave it that.
if you mean about WR in recovery live during an event it does work. I have seen it to very accurate. If you mean about recovery prior to an event correct it can’t factory that in you would need to use judgement.
CP is a model to attempt a more accurate testing of one’s FTP than something like a ramp test or 20m test, but by definition CP is not a “more accurate” measure of ftp, it’s attempting to model ftp… and it suffers the same issues that every other short form ftp test has.
As I said we can very accurately model the depletion during a ride but the recovery is not something we have an accurate model for as of yet and it varies greatly from one athlete to another.
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Try reading my reply again. Can you provide context on the two scenarios I mentioned around wr in the second paragraph?
In the 1st paragraph where do I say cp is a more accurate ftp?
Your referenced study’s are small populations measured.
A model that can evaluate the maximal mean power during exercise? - Personal website Several references in the post.
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Right here. Because critical power is an attempt to model ftp….
Read the studies I posted, those along with an understanding of the physiology of ftp should explain the issues with using cp to model it.
My issues with W are well laid out in that study, I am not saying it’s not useful just that one needs to be aware of its limitations.
I don’t say it’s a more accurate measurement of ftp the key word is then
Differences and Relationship
FTP reflects the highest power a cyclist can sustain for about an hour, most commonly estimated by taking 95% of a 20-minute maximal effort test. It is an empirical value, designed to be practical and straightforward for training prescription.
CP is calculated through multiple all-out efforts of varying durations (usually between 2 and 60 minutes), and modeled mathematically to fit the power–duration relationship in a hyperbolic curve. CP represents the threshold above which fatigue becomes inevitable and below which exercise can theoretically be sustained for a very long time.
CP is not a model “of” FTP; rather, CP and FTP are independent but related methods for estimating a cyclist’s maximal sustainable power, each with its own strengths and weaknesses.
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Yes, generally around 30 to around 70 minutes.
CP is typically tested with shorter duration efforts, if you are doing all out efforts between 30-70m then your don’t need a model to determine your ftp…
Also known as FTP or MLSS however you want to call it.
I directly quoted what you wrote. (Which was than).
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Ok the key was than ftp which is different than what you claimed was of ftp you can get that ?
You can go around in circles all you like they are different but related and not the exact same I can’t do any more to help you grasp that.
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Please go read at least the first paper. It explains all the issues with cp quite clearly using math.
Now you’re changing the narrative.
I wish there was a way to swap weeks. I’ve got a week of work travel coming up where I won’t really be able to ride and it’s the week before a rest week.
Wish I could pull the first week of the next block forward and then do the rest week when I’m on that week of work travel. Instead I’ll likely get stuck with missing a week of block and then getting a rest week when I’m back.
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Haha that’s the dream…….sooooooo many people want this
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Yep, count me in the group of people that would love smarter adaptation around time off that takes into account the timing of rest weeks and your week off for travel, etc.
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In the mobile version, I would like it if, when it suggests a adapted workout, you could click on both workouts (the scheduled one and the suggested one) and see the watts for the intervals, to get an idea of whether you are capable of doing the scheduled one.
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It would also be good if you could discard the individually tailored training recommendations, rather than accepting everything or discarding everything.
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Maybe already requested but also too lazy to search or check previous threads, but now that Zwift + TR integration is in place, would like to see/know if TR + TPV (TrainingPeaks Virtual) is here and if not, would request this if possible.
agreed, If you are intergrating with another training platform anyway, why not include a real life video product like TP Virtual or Rouvy?
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AI is good but still has its shortcomings. For instance when making a plan the first thing a coach should do is pencil in the nonnegotiable. Weddings, birth of a child, etc. Then you pencil in your races and work backwards from the “A” race. It seems most programs plan from the origin date and just delete the training time that falls on the dates you need adjustments. May get there one day but not there yet. Go humans! 
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