If you look at everything and not just the new little things you don’t like, as a software engineer, you should easily understand why that wasn’t possible.
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I asked for before and after wattage numbers. If your AI FTP has been lowered significantly then these percentages could be fine.
%ages aren’t helpful unless you tell us what they’re a %age of.
It may still be that you’re a special edge case, but no one can tell either way as yet …
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I’ve listened to the new podcast about the update and that clarified a lot. When turned off it’s just a ui thing remaining like @Pbase said, which doesn’t change anything about your actual training.
I guess im a bit reluctant to the whole ai idea, but will move forward open minded and even if i turned it off, i guess there is a use case to indirectly use it as a sparring partner rather than a driver of my programming.
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Yea I clearly cant read, my bad. haha
Previous 303FTP, then after this big decline it dropped to 288, then this new update after just 10 days it gave me 289. Abney was 230/245/259 for each of those steps, 3min each, and the SS5.2 it suggested was 266 for 2x20min. so no FTP change, but the wattage and duration is a massive increase. Nate also mentioned in their most recent podcast discussing this update that the endurance surveys aren’t weighted much, they focus on the surveys of SS and up intensities, and since I’ve done just 1 SS ride in 5 weeks now there isnt much for the AI to read into. I could just be a special case, yes.
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If your SS PL is 3.0 then presumably that’s come as a secondary PL from a Threshold workout?
If so, what were your intervals and wattages for that workout?
If not, I don’t understand why you have a 3.0 SS PL of you’ve not done a workout above Abney 
I hear you. I’ve tried some of the other “AI” fitness things and been really unimpressed. For my personal use case, this one is really good. I hope it is for you too.
The biggest complaint I’ve heard that I can understand is the people who use FTP for races and don’t know what number to use now. I personally do a lot better using RPE/HR for that stuff, but I do get the concern. Nate said elsewhere that they intend to eventually give us some form of power curve (I think he said 60 and 20 minute power, but don’t quote me) and that may solve this question.
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It’s a shame, but human nature dictates that many people will react negatively to any type of change.
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No, other than fixing known bugs it is out of beta at this point.
My opinion is that my experience has greatly improved and that is with using it for 2 months now. I wasn’t even told this was coming and was in an early group, I had no information and just used it all fine. Most other people had some info to go on, especially now that is released.
I still don’t get how a day being yellow, that is likely yellow, is some how hindering the experience.
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I just yelled at my phone because some alexa weather alert popped up, thought it was taking me to some national weather service page for info but no it wanted me to talk to the alexa ai.. nope.
I replaced my pixel 8 with a 10 friday, I guess I have gemini now? I had to set that up, wanted to nope right out of that but eh in reality it hasn’t changed other than it looks dumber on my screen.
But this ai isn’t like that other stuff, and they emphasized on the podcast that its was ML and I wish maybe they stuck with that vs the ai hype. But for as many people who calling it ai will annoy… 100 more will use it for that reason alone.
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Similar boat. TR user for many years. Doing all the workouts and finishing them. FTP before roll out was 210. Yesterday dropped to 196 (!) and future prediction of 195.
I sent an email to TR. If I get a response I’ll try to ping you, if you can do the same please.
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No one said they can’t but they very likely don’t want to.
I’ll give you an example, a guy picks his own workouts. He has 13 yellow and red days and they ignore them. They go on to claim that TR is terrible software and ruined his training and he burned out. Imagine if there were warnings, possibly a system like traffic lights with suggestions to slow down or stop. That would be wild, maybe one day someone will implement it.
Dude if you have that many yellow and red days, there is either a bug, you need to report the bug. Or you need to seriously revisit your training plan.
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Again I’d be surprise if the SWE had a say in that. They want people to see when things are going sideways. They don’t want to be able to be turned off, that is the part you seem to be missing because you are focused on how easy it is to do it.. they don’t want to.
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Thanks for sharing that.
My new detected ftp is at 361, which is 20 watts over my current ftp of 341 though.. That’s why im reluctant. Seems like too big of a jump for accurate training in the coming period. The 341 ftp aligned well with hr zones etc and intervals done so far.
The idea is they change your FTP but then also change the workout levels to correspond, so, for example if your FTP was 275 and it’s now 300, you SHOULD get workouts in both case where the watts are approximately equivalent, it was just a SS 6.2 in one case and a SS4.3 in the other (I totally made up all those numbers, but the point is hopefully clear)
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What he’s saying is that other people already asked that question and were told it would not be changing back to the old way. I know that’s not what you want to hear, just letting you know you’re not the first one to raise it.
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Someone at work used to call them Cave People. Citizens Against Virtually Everything.
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I don’t think I have explicitly read those words, just to be clear since I wasn’t initially it was my interpretation.
People have asked how you can turn it off in beta and since and they were just simply told you can’t. My take on that they won’t is based on that it being an option before so if they changed it now seems to be for a reason. From podcasts comments, replies from staff on here, and from the fact it is just always on now, my take is that they feel it benefits everyone and turning it off does more harm than good so that is the reason.
I do still get that it could be off before, why can’t it be off now, that would just be a simple job for an engineer. But since the company is selling training software, this is a training benefit, there seems to be no real reason to turn it off.
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TR Team (@Nate_Pearson)
I’m a huge fan of the platform and really excited about the recent TrainerRoad AI rollout. I’m looking for a quick sanity check from the staff regarding my latest FTP detection to ensure it’s aligned with my current abilities.
Context:
Returning to TR after a full year with no structured training or exercise.
Initial Test: Completed a Ramp Test on Dec 25th after a few easy Zwift rides. Received an FTP of 140.
Current Phase: Middle of the recovery week in the Base phase.
The Change: This past Monday, AI FTP Detection gave me a 15.7% increase, bringing me to 162. Interestingly, my Dec 25th Ramp Test was retroactively adjusted to 149.
Sanity Check:
I did my first recovery week endurance ride yesterday. While “doable,” my power levels were ranging between 120-125 watts. As an aside, my HR strap was a little loose and was reading artificially high during the first section of the workout, so disregard.
For me, this feels quite high for a recovery ride. It’s actually not far off from where my Sweet Spot power targets were sitting during the Base phase workouts just a couple of weeks ago. I want to make sure the AI isn’t “over-calibrating” my return-to-fitness gains and accidentally pushing my recovery/endurance zones into a range that might compromise my next block.
Does this jump and the resulting endurance wattage look correct on your end, or is the model perhaps being a bit too ambitious with my “newbie gains” return?
Thanks for all the hard work on the new AI features!
He did say 20 and 60min, even giving a few people in the beta who asked for it TR’s prediction of their power at those durations - so it’s clearly something they have the capability to do at some point, hopefully,
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Agreed, mine went from 290 to 307 and it seems too good to be true. My threshold and sweetspot workouts have been very challenging over the last month, but I’ve been able to finish them for the most part.
But based on what I’m reading, my next set of workouts won’t be a standard 17 watts higher than before. I’ll definitely give it a shot. In the midst of a rest week, so it’ll take a bit though. My next endurance ride seems very similar power wise to what I did on Tuesday fortunately (and its a similar workout level).
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