TR Running thread 2022

run will help you lose weight if you do it right.

In 2011 I was 17x and climbing. After 2-3 years of running and training for marathons i dropped to the lowest I have ever been, 145. This was during peak training, running about 80 miles per week.
80 miles are about 8000k a week. I could basically eat an a box of KK and not gain weight.

Now I do tri and i cant get down to that weight. So depending on your current body composition, running might help initially, but eventually it will plateau and you could gain some of the weight.

That’s why nutrition is so important… and like you, I am addicted to sugar.

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That’s sort of what I figured, after riding for decades my body is like, “another day in the office” unless I’m doing a block of really hard training or up my volume considerably. One of the most enjoyable thing with running is that it feels new enough where I’m seeing those PRs on every-other run and feeling different sensations during and afterwards. I think I do need to work on my sugar cravings and timings and get a lot more consistent with my strength training.

I finally got back on my bike yesterday and just rode for fun for 1:45 - my GF is asking me to join her on an offroad sprint Tri in October… here we go! :slight_smile:

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Spoke at length about my issues on here with running.

Last year I hit an ftp of 295 at a weight of 172lbs 6ft tall ( I can’t do that in freedom metrics)

Yet my running just never ever gets better. 1.45 is my best half marathon I did that 5 years ago.

In that time my ftp has gone from 180 to 295. I’m at a loss what I’m doing wrong. I follow the lv full distance on the bike so I’m not knackered

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Whats your usual running week?

Intervals Tuesday for an hour
Easy run Thursday for an hour
Long run Saturday
30 minute brick on a Sunday

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That is EXACTLY what I do…
now…
what kind of intervals you do?
like short stuff? (1 mile and under repeats?)

how about the E stuff… how long are this runs (mine are about 6-8 the shortest, 12 the longest).

Track conditions right now are perfect for snowshoeing - too deep for even cross country skiing!! :slight_smile:

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I normally follow the 80:20 plan for the interval sessions so it’s a mix of short stuff and longer intervals

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Interesting…
So, what I noticed last year when I was doing TR Plans:
Running the day after a hard bike wo was VERY hard and I felt it was holding me back.

This year ive been running hard on Tuesdays and bike wo (vo2max and things) on Wednesday or Thursday. This has work MUCH better since I would be rested on Tuesday and really hit it hard!

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Does anyone have a good reference for how to do “strides” and “10 second Pick ups”.

the way I do it…
strides are a controlled form of speed… usually about 100m or 20s…
I like to speed up to get to desire speed, then maintain speed and finally reduce speed…
if you are doing 20s its like 6-7 seconds to get to max speed, keep for 6-7 seconds… gradually slow down the rest.
This are not all out sprints… but controlled bursts of speed.

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The Daniels answer:
“Strides are fast runs that last about 20 seconds each and are run at a subjective feeling that approximates Rep-pace running or roughly the pace you would race at for 1,500 meters or 1 mile. Take 60 seconds rest between strides, or enough time to feel light and quick on each stride. Strides are not meant to be “sprints. The purpose of strides is to improve your speed and running economy. By practicing Rep paced running your body learns to run more relaxed and comfortable at the race pace you’re training for.”

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I’m more into 6-7 secs ramp-up, maintain for the balance of the 20 seconds. You need to feel the pace, and get used to it.

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where is the rest of this information? I’d love to dive in deeper. are strides used for warming up?

It’s a quote I think from his Running formula book (I took the quote from here, not much else in there). JD is not very detailed in the use of strides - he puts them at the end of Easy runs, that’s how I learned to use them. To warm up for races, I do ramp-ups instead, which are accelerations from a jog, so not quite the same.

There is no wrong way to do it…

Yes. You can use it to warm up. Very effective pre race/pre workout…
try not to run faster than target pace (say faster than 5k pace if used to warmup pre race)

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Starting any exercise yes, but adding a small amount of running to cycling, no.

It’s definitely beneficial but everyone is different, so it depends on your starting point as to what effect it might have.

And “you can’t run from a bad diet” otherwise I’d be a bronzed Adonis.

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Tri is the One True Sport, obviously so we’re glad to see you have found The Path, :grin:

Swimming will give you the upper body/full body workouts you’re missing, so that plus the weight-bearing running, some strength work, and you have all bases covered :wink:

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Oh, i differ… You can actually run from a bad diet…

You just need to run a ton… Like 80+ miles per week

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Got my first run in yesterday after a couple months hiatus to start the road to my first Half. 40 min Z2 - felt like Z5!! Ugh the run. Dog didn’t help either…:slight_smile:

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