TR Running Thread 2021

I’m ding 50k on Saturday, but in the form of 24 runs in 24 hours

Not had bloating in the heat, but gas and hill running would be a combination of the food I ate and the different abdominal muscles activated on downhills.

Looks flat, you’ll be fine :sweat_smile:

I think that sounds worse!!

Almost 400 run TSS in 1 day … no wonder my legs hurt :laughing:

I’m an experienced runner but struggling lately with the outer edge of my left foot burning both during and after runs. It’s worse when running with intensity. Feels like a blister but there’s nothing there just hard skin. Burning sensation. Socks good. Wear nike trainers which I’ve always used. Any advice?

I’ve started to follow the BarryP plan as a beginner and should get to 5k on my long run by the end of July. I just want a secondary sport to keep me occupied and I don’t want it to interfere with my cycling.

I would welcome any thoughts on how to manage the increasing load. At the moment, I’m just going to increase by 10% if the TR workouts are achievable and if the running “feels OK” at the end of the week. I’m slightly concerned that everything will “feel OK” until it’s not and then it would be too late.

Your comment “I don’t want it to interfere with my cycling” raises questions and we need more specifics about you. How old are you, are you racing bikes and concerned with results, how many days per week do you cycling train?

This is fine. Set yourself a maximum amount of time running as you see fit if you want to be sure you don’t impact your bike. For example 2-3h doesn’t affect my bike 4-5h a week does.

Oh and count your volume by time not distance.

Well, I am 54 and the only running I have ever done is a couch to 5k a few years ago. I’m on a LV plan purely to raise my fitness for some long rides that I’m planning to do this year. I supplement the cycle training with 1-3 Z2 rides a week and strength train twice a week.

Thanks. I have planned my weekly progression in a spreadsheet using time. The compounded 10% starts to look very unachievable very quickly!

I’m 53 and have raced road, CX and MTB. Adding running without taking away from your cycling workouts is hard. When racing, I aim for 5 cycling workouts per week and my two quality workouts is one interval session targeting VO2max system and a 3+ hour long ride. The other 3 workouts would be easy zone 2 with a total cycling time of 7 to 9 hours per week. When not racing, I add in 2 or 3 running workouts per week and replace the easy zone 2 rides. It’s hard to max out your cycling capabilities with adding in running workouts but it’s good cross training when your not serious and just want to maintain a good fitness level. Good luck!

Thanks for the background info. When you are new to structured training, as I am, then it’s good to hear other people’s stories. It gives an idea of the terrain ahead.

It’s a strange thing to look at, but it works.

The first week seems like a waste of time, six weeks looks unachievable :sweat_smile: I did it December/January and running six days a week was a new thing for me and an achievement in itself. I had conflicting thoughts - the running routes were a bit boring, but the easy pace meant I was far more keen to run than when I had 3x moderate/hard runs.

Good luck, you’ll certainly learn something on the way.

I know the feeling about the routes. Hoping to get a bit more variability in a few months time.

Just a quick question regarding heart rate, everyone is different so there might not be an answer. I’m currently running slow as advised. However, 10:30 /mi is mostly Z4 and 12:00 /mi is mostly Z3. Will this go down over the next few months or should I run slower now?

At the beginning of the year when cycling 15mph on the flat that put me into Z4 but now halfway through Build it’s now Z2.

Just wondering what to expect.

123 running isn’t heart rate based, and there are quite a few different HR zone models out there.

You can either just run easy like you could run all day, run breathing in and out through your nose, or use the McMillan pace calculator and use the Recovery, Long and Easy paces (according to BarryP).

@JoeX

Did you try the Reebok shoes?
Did you like them?

As your running economy improves, you should see your heart race decrease at a given rate. So if you do a 3 mile run at 9:00/mi pace now with a heart rate of 150bpm, after a couple of months of consistent run training you should see your 9:00/mi pace heart rate decrease.

Just finished my first run in them, easy pace mostly with ten minutes at race pace. Felt a bit flat for new shoes, I would have expected some bounce but a solid comfortable ride so no complaints :slight_smile: It was my first run since Sunday so not a normal run and Im feeling pretty flat generally.

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Another year of running and another year of almost minimal progress.

WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?

Because of my failiure to get to ironman Copenhagen my A race was 2 weeks ago at outlaw half, I ran almost identically to Outlaw X in Sept 2019. Despite consistent training over the two years other than 4 weeks off for an ankle niggle I have made very little progress.

In the same time frame using trainer road my FTP has gone from 228 to 300W, my weight is the same and I have dopped my 400m time from 8 mins to 6.30 but my running times just stay the same.

I’ve tried lots of low heart rate miles, high intensity and 80:20 and all for a while but very little progress.

WHY ISN’T THERE TR FOR RUNNING?

As long as I hit my watts for TR I have made consistent progress, I need this for my shite running.