TR Running Thread 2021

I’ve used both the intervals function and workouts through the calendar and both are great in their own way. Just doing ad hoc workout and was some simple structure? So easy to just click through and select duration and rest. Then out the door.

If you’re on a fully written out plan then I’d go with the calendar. Yeah its a lot more effort going through and writing out all the workouts and putting them on the calendar but once that’s done they’re all pushed to your device on the day.

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I did a 32km/2.5 hour long run two Saturday’s ago which I ended up getting a strained achilles out of, but it at least lined up with a recovery week so I wasn’t too stressed about not running for most of the week. I did a short really easy 6.4km/4mi run on Thursday and it felt so-so, but not completely pain free. I had a virtual Sprint Tri to do over the course of the week so I was holding out for that as well–probably wasn’t the best idea to run a hard 5K coming off a strained achilles, but when I went out on Saturday evening it was feeling good so I decided to just run hard and see what happened (while trying not to look at my watch except a couple quick glances on distance towards the end). Turned out that I set a new PB with an 18:15! Not super fast compared to some, but I’ll take still getting PB’s as a 39yo. :grin: It also didn’t seem to add any extra negative stress on my achilles so :crossed_fingers: I can get rolling again this week.

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On week 3 of my home-brewed version of Jack Daniels’ 10k plan. Home-brew = 4 runs per week, “reasonable” volume (for me). The first 2 weeks were stretched in time (like 2 runs per week for 4 weeks), now I’m into the swing of things. No real 10k race targeted, I just like the variety a 10k plan brings without the need for longer runs of a half-marathon plan. So far so good - I pace the “Easy” runs on HR, and I can see the pace/HR relationship moving into its groove. Let’s see how it all goes.

Meanwhile this pushes bike training off to a couple of rides per week only - so be it.

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Hello Peeps! First post ~ brand new TR user here! Did cycling ramp test Sunday, first ride workout yesterday and first run today on Zwift. Woohoo!
I’m wondering how you guys get your indoor tready runs into TR. Do you use your Garmin devices and do an indoor treadmill workout and then start the TR workout?
I did my run on Zwift and then had to export the Strava activity and import it to TR as a ride, then connect the two activities in TR to get my planned run ‘checked off.’ But it still appears as a ride.
I’m sure there’s a better way to do it. Any suggestions?

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Short version : I don’t. Tried last year, realized there are no good ways of estimating TSS for running, so mixing TR bike workouts with my running in TR gave me zero advantages. I abandoned the idea, and resorted to SportTracks, which has been my training data repository for a number of years. They use a TRIMP model, not necessarily better or worse than TSS, HR-based as far as I can tell, and it mixes all my training somehow. Not that I really track TSS or TRIMP-based load anyway, it’s more of a curiosity than a driver for me.

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Welcome to the forums :slight_smile:

I’ve never heard of anyone doing that! :smiley:

Why are you trying to do bike workouts when you’re running? Are you using a running power meter?

And, no you can’t sync runs into the TR Calendar or any other kind of activity that isn’t a ride.

My treadmill and outdoor runs go into my free TrainingPeaks account where I have configured heart and pace thresholds. I take an hrTSS value and manually type that into the TR Calendar after marking it as completed.

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There isn’t an automated way to handle run workouts (or any non-bike workouts) on the calendar right now–there’s a loooooong standing request for this, but no timeline for when this might happen. I just create and track all my non-bike workouts manually (I’m a triathlete so I have lots…). I use intervals.icu to have another point of reference for Run TSS to compare against the RPE levels TR uses.

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Thanks for the welcome. I’m excited to get back into structured bike training. I haven’t had that for 5+ years when I did my 70.3 & IM.
I’m prepping for a fun project this Fall to celebrate my 50th. 100 mi ride w/ 5k’+ sustained climb followed by a 50 mile trail run. I’m following the low volume Full IM training plan and deleting the swims and increasing the run durations and distances.
Can’t wait!

I was just trying to get TSS credit for the run, but just found the ‘this workout was completed’ checkbox after reading your comment. -doh! My run was double what the plan suggested, so I’ll just go in and adjust the time and TSS. I’m using the Strava Elevate app to estimate my hrSS. I’ll use that my true source of data then. I’ll have to get my TP account synced up. It’s been years since I have used it.

Sweet! Another app! I’m signed up and ready to dig into another data source. Can’t have too much ‘datas’, right!?!

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Yep, just click completed, then it changes slightly so you can enter the time, tss and description of what you did (as opposed to what was planned). This works on the app, the desktop app and the browser now.

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I did the trial subscription on the Stryd, and used their workout creator to run a few of the TR workouts off of the Stryd app.

I would say it works but I’m not sure it’s worth the bother or money. If the import would be fully automatic - maybe. But the advantage of having the Stryd guide the workouts versus just having a power and time datafield and running the workout from memory is small.

I don’t need my watch to tell me to run 6x20s sprints or 3x5min at RPE8, I can just look at the elapsed time and check my power every now and then.

There might be a minor benefit if I can’t remember if I’m on my 10th or 11th RPE10 sprint :slight_smile:

Is there a reason why my runs dont sync to Trainerroad. Rides automatically go from Garmin Connect to TR so you can add the TSS, but running work outs dont.

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Yes, TrainerRoad does not process anything that is not a ride.

Add your voice to this thread, they say the more people requesting a feature influences whether they work on it:

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I have done now 10weeks base training with BarryP method. Only easy&slow running 6x per week (no strides, no tempo). Today morning i ran 5k TT and end up PR 19:35! Next week i will start 12week half marathon plan with goal sub 90min. This week was last week (rest week 8) of Sustained Power Build. I´m not sure what kind of bike training i should do during HM training so that i would not loose all cycling fitness, but reach max result in running?

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If you want better running… You need to keep your legs fresh for the workouts… For a sub 90, you need a sub 7 pace. That’s a big jump from a 19 min 5k.

My recommendation is endurance/tempo rides… No vo2max…

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And a whole lot more endurance at that tempo. My personal (n=1) experience is that attempting important development in running endurance at the same time as a TR plan doesn’t work. Your mileage may vary.

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There is people that can do it… But I would recommend against it… Take you will lose some bike fitness but it will mostly be top end… You will get it back in a few weeks after you start training bike specific again…

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Yes, I think i put all my effort to running but as my run mileage is not so high i might do some z2 rides for aerobic volume.

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Shoe Question:

I’m tied to the Nike brand this season, thinking of getting the React Miler (40% off at the moment) for my easy/long runs, and probably the Pegasus for quality sessions.

Thoughts?

I had the Structure and two Pegasus last year, I relegated the Structure to the treadmill so they’re hardly used but took them outside this week and they feel a bit harsh. I ended up always using the Peg 36s.

The NEW pegasus is not a great quality session shoe…
Its way too soft…

The question I have for you…
Why are you tied to Nike?
Sponsorship?

if not… eff Nike.
Go with Adidas/Reebok!

Adidas Boston for Quality
Adidas Adios for race
Reebok Float Ride Energy for everyday - This is probably one of the longest lasting shoes money can buy… its a steal at $100!! I have a v1 and v2. The v1 I retired at 900 miles. v2 has 500+ and not showing signs of wear! There a v3 now available.

Why ‘eff Nike’?
I for one like my Nikes… I primarily use Pegasus for tempo or faster. My favorites were Turbo 35’s, skipped the 36’s (or Turbo 2) as I had a few pairs of the 35’s, and now currently use the 37’s… Which I like but def not as much as the Turbo 35’s. My only issue is the heal cup. If I don’t get the tie down just right I feel slight slippage.

I’m also quite fond of the Brooks Levitate 4. Also good for daily to tempo, or even faster… Not too heavy or too soft but just the right amount of responsiveness.

I’ve only tried the Adidas Boston 9… Although the lightest shoes I’ve tried I’m not quite sure they have enough cushion for me.

I have some Adidas gear coming to me so I will have plenty of opportunity to give them a proper run (pun intended).

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