This will haunt my dreams. I need eye bleach.
Itās less the content but more the meta-aspect of getting a tattoo of yourself as the joker, which is quite frankly, psychotic.
I hope he lost a bet. Otherwise, no wonder his wife wanted a divorce.
Too bad we can sit around, drink beers and BS about this stuff.
Looking forward to tomorrow.
(back to original topic)
I do have to say that I absolutely love watching when the break sticks and you get a solo rider that comes in to bask in the moment. Great moment for Nils Politt!
Sagan apparently made a visit to the press room today to show off his bruised knee. I guess he wanted to fend off stories about how he was faking it.
@stevemz, the Thomas Voeckler of the thread! 
Love it. Great racing this year and fun thread.
Too much training, not enough make party 
A totally meaningless statisticā¦.no one cares or remembers who finishes 2nd or 3rd on a stage.
And Iām not even talking about stage winsā¦.Iām talking about Classics that he should have won multiple times over.
But way to miss the pointā¦ā¦great riders find ways to win even when they are marked. Which has been another flaw in Saganās career - his tactics have generally been lacking.
Au contraire mon ami. Lots of podiums is exactly how you become the record holding 7 time winner of the Green Jersey.
His tactics and style might not be how you would race, but they have worked for him.
Rightā¦.which is why the Green Jersey competition is measured in Green Jerseys, not number of podiums.
Otherwise weād also be hailing his āwinsā in intermediate sprints as well.
Youāve made your point. I got it. Heās not great enough for you despite him have a better palmares than most riders from his era. Ok, heās not Boonen or Cancellara. Sagan is also a different type of rider IMO. Heās more of a punchy rouleur. Boonen was more of a pure sprinter and Cancellara was more of a TT specialist.
Boonen came up in the EPO/blood bag era and even rode for US Postal. He won the World road medal once. He only won a single green jersey and 6 TdF stages. Yes, Boonen won more at Roubaix and Flanders.
Cancellara - once again, he came up in the EPO/blood bag era. He rode for Mapei initially. He never won the World road medal. Yes he has more wins at Roubaix and Flanders plus Milan-San Remo. He only has 8 TdF victories and not a single green jersey.
When you put Saganās record against theirs, Iād say itās just as good, if not better in some ways. Different era, different type of rider, different set of wins. But equally impressive IMO.
That is a lot of revisionist history for one post.
First, Boonen was NEVER a pure sprinter. He was very much a rider like Sagan, a classics ride who could hold his own in, and occasionally win, a bunch gallop.
Saying Boonen just has āmore winsā in Flanders and Roubaix is incredibly understated. He is tied for the most victories ever in both races.
Oh, and one of the guys he is tied with fir the most Flanders wins? Cancellera.
You also skipped over Cancelleraās TT world titles.
You must be from Belgium!
Iām quite enjoying this debate 
I have no horse in the race. Itās interesting to see how differently people rank all time results. The monument wins are obviously spectacular. Personally, I put a fair bit less emphasis on Tour stage wins and green jerseys. However, that is just a random personal opinion. Not based on any kind of high tech metric.
The points based metrics has Sagan and his strange tattoo ranked pretty high. I imagine he has some more winning left in him too.
https://www.procyclingstats.com/rankings/me/all-time
Of modern riders, Valverde would have to be the leader, would he not?
Digging into it, they all pale in comparison to Merckx, heās so far ahead, itās almost unbelievable what he achieved in a single lifetime.
If we talking greatest riders of all time: Marianna Vos
Just over 230 road Victories, including 3 world championships, Olympic gold + Olympic gold on the track + 7(!) World championships in cyclocross. Totaling more than 400 victories in professional racing across 3 disciplines. Yesterday she also won a Giro donne stage (The only ĀØgrand tourĀØ for women) for the 30th time, which is even more impressive considering it only has 10 stages and not 21. If there were more races on the calendar, she probably would have won even more.
Truly outstanding.
Agreed.
There is an argument, that on strength of competition and size of field, it is not an equal comparison. Iām not arguing for it, just mentioning what many say when this gender comparison is discussed.
Youād also have to add in PFP ( Pauline Ferrand-PrĆ©vot ), 3 discipline World Champion. No man has done thatā¦
However, MVDP could, this year actually.
Whatās cross discipline worth as a metric? Imagine if Pro Cycling Stats counted MVDPs Cyclocross wins. Heād be in the hundreds of wins alreadyā¦
Complex this equation is.
Can Cav win with no skinsuit?
Wasting watts!
Vos is an amazing cyclist. Longo, Burton and some of the USA ladies as well (Thompson, Twigg, Carpenter).
KFC in cross and Iām not going to try and put mountain biking in context without checking notes.
The ladies are even more impressive for navigating the shark pit of pro racing āmanagementā, low pay and generally lower opportunities.
Tours on. See ya in a few hoursā¦.
So far looking good for a bunch sprint. Only a tiny breakaway. Next hurdle will be the last 20 km, to prevent attacks. Iām sure Alaphilip and the rest of the āwolvesā will ride their guts out, to give Cav the chance to equal the record.
For some reason I feel like Cav doesnāt have it todayā¦
But Iām often wrong about these things 