Testosterone: To T or Not To T?

Zammo’s face seems to disagree with his message.

Maybe he’s just got enough points for his Cat-3 to Cat-2 upgrade :smiley:

A joint replacement isn’t banned. Two professional tennis players have had their hip joints resurfaced (i.e. metal ball and socket) and are still competing.

The argument with Pistorious was that his prosthetics were an advantage compared to a conventional lower limb. A hip replacement is not as good as a normal, healthy hip (but it’s better than a damaged hip).

Hey, Theo, I agree with you, because for me it’s the best choice to use the best natural testosterone food. Many times since then, I have had cases where I could lose my libido and internal energy (testosterone dropped to 80 ng/DL), which led me to the idea of visiting a doctor. However, my doctor prescribed pills and said that the best choice is a natural product. Since I was interested in this, I decided to find various articles about it, among which was an article about foods that increase testosterone, which led me to a healthier lifestyle. After a while I still feel a surge of energy and confidence for my body.

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Actually, the correlation between T supplements and Pca is a widespread but false belief. As a PCa survivor, I’ve read the research reports, and the connection does not exist. Study: Testosterone therapy does not raise prostate cancer risk | Newsroom

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Interesting topic. When I was racing, 25 years ago now, half the old geezers in my bike club at the time were all taking T or HGH just trying to be younger than their biological age. None of them were dropping us 28 year olds though.

On the last Ben Greenfield podcast, he put out there that he is trying topical T supplementation. And he is super fit and only in his 40s. He seems to think of it as a bio-hack - “better living through chemistry”. He also said that he is no longer competing so WADA is not a concern for him.

I’m in my 50s. If I knew there were zero side effects and the cancer risk was zero, I’d get some 30 year T levels assuming I’m not racing because I don’t want to be a cheater.

I think the jury is still out on whether there are side effects or not so I’m not going there.

I think the jury is still deliberating specifics like severity and frequency, but there are certainly serious side effects for some users. There are very few drugs that don’t have some negatives that come along with them, so all we can do is balance the potential benefits with what we know about the possible side effects. Unless I’m really, really struggling in life, I’m not putting something in my body that “might” cause cancer, heart problems, etc., even if the data isn’t conclusive.

I’m not going to judge someone who has unnaturally low T for taking the drug and risking the side effects. I have no idea how bad their world is without T replacement. I honestly don’t even care that much if these people are racing bikes.

I do tend to negatively judge all the folks trying to regain their youth through T replacement, particularly when they are people who obviously haven’t exhausted other means like exercise and diet. It’s probably not my place to judge, but I do.

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The obsession with being young is bizarre and sad.

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How old are you?

I’m 53 and not obsessed. But I can tell you that with raising a 9 year old plus training and working I’m often exhausted unlike I was when I was 30 years old.

We do all sorts of unnatural things in life to feel better, be healthier, and be more comfortable. If they come up with a zero risk pill some day that makes you younger, then why not?

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Ok, boomer :grin:

Because the entire point of life is living where you are. This isn’t needed medical intervention for quality of life, it’s a bizarre fetishization of youth. It’s no different than cosmetic plastic surgery and emblematic of a deep psychosis that grips a certain demographic of modern western countries, especially the US and UK.

Of course you are exhausted chasing a nine year old, embrace it! I’m 40 and my 4 year old wipes me out. I’d hate to want to feel 30, that means I’m not maximizing who I am now,

I’m dyed in the wool Gen X thank you very much. :stuck_out_tongue: But it’s totally a boomer thing I’m describing.

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There’s a loooootttttt of terrible downright wrong advice in here.

The biggest one is that t is not going to make you all of a sudden start dropping people. It’s not going to up your ftp. It’s not going to make you climb faster. It’s not going to make you faster.

As an endurance athlete, literally all it’s going to do is allow you to recover faster so you can train more.

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Sounds like you have some experience with it.

And enjoy the ride! The goal posts will move, but I’d rather move the chains in unaltered states than live better thru chemistry. Not going to judge what anyone does, it’s your body and journey, but if it impacts my cost of living then I have strong opinions. Ride on my friends, and enjoy the roller coaster of life :blush:

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A buddy on mine is on it and absolutely is faster. HIs hematocrit went up to 58% too.

It’s very easy to pontificate when your belly is full. It’s a saying in my language. It’s easy to talk when you’re young and healthy at 40.
I’m not sure why you can’t maximize 40 feeling like 30?
Would you maximize 55 when you are taking high blood pressure pills and cholesterol meds and your knees hurt every time you bike? Do you bypass antibiotics when you have pneumonia? Do you think lack of self image, depression, and other mental issues are all clumped into psychosis (which is mental issue itself)?
You realize cosmetic plastic surgery is used for people with cleft palates, breast cancers, and burns?

Forgive me for putting you on the spot but there are people less fortunate and it’s not healthy to assume that the reason anyone does anything isn’t what you would do if you were in their shoes. There are many things that we don’t understand and hormonal diseases are one of them.

The world is changing and hormones are just the tip of the iceberg. Once genetic amplification and modification takes hold, modern medicine will be ancient. 2:00 hr marathon is easy when you put the right genes together and have a human go 1:45. It’s not anything to be sad about but rather a scientific milestone to be celebrated. Who cares about some races when there are literally 100’s of diseases and billions of lives impacted?

So, open your mind and buckle up. Hopefully it will be in our life time

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Yes, my thoughts exactly. Probably better said too.

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I’m going to judge, and I’m going to be entirely unapologetic about it.

I’m 54. I can’t train like I used to. I can’t go like I used to. I don’t feel like I used to. But, to quote Tennyson, though “We are not now that strength which in old days/ moved Earth and Heaven, that which we are, we are.”

“Maximizing” 54 means taking care of diet, rest, recovery, and stress. It does not mean taking steroids for which there is no medical need – now, if you are sick, and have a recognized, legitimate medical need for the medicine, that’s quote another matter.

Doping for the group ride and aging with dignity are, in my narrow awful mind, quite incompatible.

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This thread has been hashed…re-hashed so many times…its not useful or contributing to this forum in any way…

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I welcome any excuse to reread Ulysses :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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