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Did you notice how all the examples you provided of how attire matters were related only to women’s dress?

Again, Dan Lloyd is hosting TV shows in a t-shirt and Rob hatch wears some really out-there sweaters…not much criticism of those two. Hatch gets praised for his commentary and multi-lingual skills and Floyd for his “insider” insights.

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I definitely did. It isnt exactly as widespread practice to hire male journalists with high sex appeal.

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Huh?

I’m not too good with the modern hieroglyphics…

I’m just kinda speechless…you just highlighted the issue and seem to be ignoring your own role in it.

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Could you perhaps elaborate in words rather than videos? I’m not following…

You are saying appearances can bring reason to question one’s credibility.

You are saying society sucks because of it.

Effectively you are saying it is fair to question someones credibility if they wear a miniskirt but then blame it on society.

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@voldemort nailed it…I would just add in this double-standard:

And the fact you you agree Orla cannot be taken seriously because of how she dresses.

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No. I’m saying society sucks, because for a variety of reasons, women are typically the only gender put in this position in the first place.

I mean, the core issue is that women are typically held to different appearance standards than men in the hiring process.

The solution is to eliminate the bias of hiring hot girls in mini skirts over 60 yr olds in pant suits.

I don’t think she has a job just because of her attire/appearance.

She was an athlete and has degrees in law and journalism. Seems pretty credible to me. :man_shrugging:

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I never said she wasnt. Like I said, I had never heard of her before today.

Does the opinion that wearing provocative dress diminishes one’s credibility add to this problem or subtract from this problem?

THAT is an excellent question, and one I’ve asked myself. I don’t think I really have a definite answer if I’m being honest.

On the one hand, completely ignoring the provocative dress treats all the rightfully credible female journalists in such attire fairly and justly.

On the other, doing so requires disconnecting from logic and critical thinking, and acknowledging that many ARE hired on looks and given preferential treatment over more capable women, therefore implicitly endorsing that behavior.

I dont know what the right decision is…

Why are you only fixating on the dress of female broadcasters / journalists?!?!?

That right there only contributes to the problem.

I’d be happy to ponder routinely provocative dress of other genders if you have examples of any. I may be waiting quite a while however…which is why I said society sucks…

I gave multiple examples above of non-traditional dress worn by male commentators on GCN…you seem to have skipped over them.

Or are we going to get hung up on the word “provocative”…in which case you are only helping demonstrate the point I am trying to make?

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No, it really isn’t an excellent question.

Judging women based on appearances can only be a negative. The number of times I have seen male researchers judge brilliant women as less than because they are more attractive than the average person in the field is an abomination. It is opinions such as yours that make this true.

You are moving goal posts to hiring which is completely different. Moreover, I do not accept your assumption that attractiveness is not a factor in male hiring process for TV hosts. Have you never heard a joke about someone having a face for radio?

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Find me a female TV reporter who is dressed provocatively on the air. I looked up Orla. If someone finds her attire as provocative… I have no comment.

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Okay… What in the AF is “provocative” dress? What, exactly, is she “provoking”? If it’s conversations about her choice to wear socks under pointy toe heels, then I’m here for it. But “provocative”–to me–is a sexist dog whistle. It’s up there with questioning whether a woman was “asking for it” by wearing certain clothes.

Now, if you instead want to talk about whether her clothes are appropriate–that’s fine. I also don’t think it should be very controversial to say that the clothes she wears on GCN are perfectly appropriate. Someone want to explain to me what’s wrong with this? Is what she’s wearing inappropriate? What about the men? Or is it because you think her legs look good, and hiss legs do nothing for you, that her skirt is “provocative” but his skinny pants, bare ankles, and exposed biceps are not?

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wow, came here to lament the loss of content with peacock and walked into a minefield.

it sucks that people hold women to these standards that men get to avoid. women should dress however they damn please as long as it makes them happy and not because they need to try to appease or appeal to anyone besides themselves.

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