Was it more than the normal guidelines of 60 -90grams of carbs per hour ?
I canât remember but I think it helped him with the timing of it. Iâll ask him when I see him. Notwithstanding that even if it did point him to that amount of carbs, he wouldnât have believed it no matter how much he read about it. Also for a week of riding for 15-18 hours a day he had to try and eat real food.
I did type lots but those who advocate the use of the product will always report its been life changing and be happy to âdie in a ditchâ over it.
I canât see it providing anything of real value to a person without diabetes.
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Stop acting like people with diabetes and people with blood sugar âspikesâ and âhypoâ are varying severities or dimensions of the same problem. They are not. Normal people have spikes and dips. Diabetes is very different.
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Muscles upregulate passive glucose transporters during exercise that persist for several hours afterward. How else do you think someone with zero endogenous insulin can become hypoglycemic during exercise (without exogenous insulin)
This thread really points to the uselessness of this data. âI ended up learning that 20 grams before and 60-90 grams/ hr was the bestâ lol now that is some really ground-breaking science
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Ultimately though, the core reason Supersapiens likely failed (in this case, their investors probably pulled the plug), was that the path forward to getting traction in the US from an approvals standpoint wasnât viable. And undoubtedly, they were looking at European numbers, and not seeing significant growth
No surprise thereâŚnot getting OTC approval from the FDA was clearly a roadblock for a viable product.
the revenue metrics werenât good. Net revenue for 2023 was looking at around 1.3M euros
THAT however, is quite surprisingâŚwow.
Itâs not surprising because it was all built on shaky technology. If it was a game changer for training, more than enough people in Europe would be paying for it to support the company. If it were really a game changer, people in the US would have been importing it and doing whatever they could to get their hands on it.
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It might have been a game changer but how many could really afford it?
Whereâs the research or evidence that this changes training outcomes?
If you fuel your rides/races with hardly any level of precision there is zero need for a bonk-o-meter.
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Interesting timing Interesting timing: The FDA just approved an iPhone-powered blood glucose monitor as Apple Watch sugar-sensing plan continues | iMore
now given the go-ahead for Dexcomâs Stelo Glucose Biosensor System to be offered without the need for a prescription.
Man, that has got to be a kick in the marbles to Supersapiens now that they are shutting down. If they could have gotten this same approval, it would have been a very different market for them.
That was my exact reaction when I saw this today. Given that FDA approval takes a while, this also makes me think Super Sapiens screwed the pooch and could have gotten approval if theyâd hired the right people to help them navigate the approval process. Or their technology just wasnât accurate
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Well they were using the Abbott device, so the accuracy should have been there. I think the real question is what positioning they took for their 510(K) and what claims they were making.
As an example, we have been going round and round with the FDA for nearly a decade over one of our technologies. We have a 510(K) for it through Rx, but not OTC (similar to what Supersapiens was trying to get). It gets pretty complicated dealing with FDA on stuff like this and you need a really good regulatory team to help guide you through it.
I can all but guarantee that being in the same market, and likely tracking Stelo, they knew about it before Abbotts public announcement. Iâm also quite positive that the decision to pull the plug likely hinged on Stelo being first to market. It wasnât a coincidence.
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Any educated guesses on why Supersapiens may have been unable to get a OTC 510(K)?
Agreed on needing a good team who knows how to navigate the FDA process. Thatâs what I meant by they screwed the pooch: they most likely could have gotten FDA approval if they had the right folks driving that
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Having a team to get FDA approval wouldnât have helped Supersapiens because they were selling snakeoil. Other than anecdotes and paid endorsements, there is no science or data that indicates that a 15 minute delayed readout of blood glucose helps with training or racing whatsoever.
One just needs to sip sugar 60-100+ grams per hour or whatever is tolerable and fueling is covered. One doesnât need an expensive bonk-o-meter.
Letâs face it. Supersapiens would have been a runaway hit in Europe if it had been a game changer for training and they would have been super successful. Every well heeled amateur would have bought it . Every pro and amateur team would have bought it. They wouldnât have had to give it to pros or pay them to use it. But in the end, hardly anyone bought it.
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From the Supersapiens page, in the
âTo start, they are different technologies. The Abbott Libre Sense Glucose Sport Biosensor is specifically designed for use in sport for people without diabetes. For this reason, the range measured is only 55mg/dL-200mg/dL.â
Which would make the sensor unusable for T1 diabetics, itâs only accurate* if you donât have diabetes, and may indicate that they are different (different filaments or failed QA for example)