🎉💪🏋️ Strength Training Upgrade: Add Working Sets! 🏋️💪🎉

So it sort of worked, the first workout I did I changed the type straight away and it imported as a strength session, today I did a session but didn’t change they type for over an hour and it still shows as “other”

That’s right. You’ll go to failure every set. In your example your first working set is 12 reps, second is 8 reps, and third is 5 reps for a total of 3 total working sets.

Another lifting strategy for maintaining a higher number of reps is “drop sets” where you drop the weight a little each working set.

Applying this to your example you may drop 10 lbs for your second set and drop another 10 lbs for the third set. The aim is to get more reps until you reach your point of failure.

We’re looking into this! I’ll keep you posted.

RPE surveys for non-cycling activities isn’t currently on the roadmap but we’re going to monitor requests for this. I could see this being a useful datapoint.

We’re mostly focused on the working set data and don’t want the TSS field to trip anyone up when planning their strength sessions. I find it hard to equate strength work to TSS.

You can still manually add TSS for a session that gets imported and we’re working on adding this in for your manually added sessions too.

As an anecdote, I used to never record my strength sessions. Now that we have the working set stuff, I really enjoy the automation in all of it and just plugging in what I did after I wrap up my session. If you don’t have a wearable, you can record directly in the Strava app. I’d be curious to hear your thoughts if you give it a try. :muscle:

Can you double check if todays session is marked as “weight training” in Strava? When you change it in Strava, we should get an update to let us know to recategorize the session.

Yeah it’s marked as weight training, another session this evening also marked as weight training also imported as “other”

In addition strength training at an older age can improve bone density. Low bone density is a major cause of broken bones at older age.

We found a bug where some of these were slipping through. We have a fix up for it now and it’s in testing! We verified it against yesterday’s session which is now updated.

Hi Nick, I’ve been mulling this over since Nate posted this. Let’s say I build up from maintenance lifting to the point of failure after my season ends - so I start recording sets.

  1. Normally people would phase down lifting again to a maintenance level during race season. So are you guys going to be recommending lifting to failure all year round, once you’ve built to that level?

  2. Also, where does the concept of ‘strong enough’ fit in with this? It feels like Nate is saying always aim to be as strong as you can be, I’m naturally at the all rounder benchmark and with a month or two at your sprinter benchmark, and 5x5 not just a single set of 5. So will these benchmarks be reviewed?

3…Or am I simply reading too much into all of this? :blush:

Cheers, todays session also imported correctly

That’s really good & important guidance, thank you.

On that note I’d love to hear your current workout routine nate, when you’re anyways getting around the podcast

I’d be very interested in this. Last week popped me into yellow the day after a relatively light leg day that’s more for maintenance and gives me next to no DOMS.

My workouts vary by the season and what I’m currently training towards. They tend to get much heavier and lengthy in the cycling offseason.

Picking up on earlier discussion: training to failure all the time sounds counterproductive. Research shows that training just short of failure appears to maximise muscle strength:

I would say if you’re doing light/maintenance sets and not getting close to failure then no point using this feature as it’s just going to give you false yellows/reds.

I’m similar to you, do most of my heavier lifting and strength gains in the off season then switch to more of a maintenance /activation approach as the cycling load ramps up. May use the feature when I lift heavy again but equally at that point I will be mainly doing endurance and recovery rides which will be largely by feel anyway so not that fussed about RLGL.

This may be relevant to the conversation, you have to remember they are trying to help everyday people. Not most people on this forum trying to get faster at riding bikes.

A very helpful perspective! Thanks for sharing!

What got lost in all the back and forth about “going to failure” is the assumption that if you don’t go to failure, the activity doesn’t have ANY impact on fatigue. That seems to be an incorrect assumption based on my limited personal experience.

Yes he’s a weightlifter first and what I got from it . To increase muscle mass, going to failure isn’t the best way togo for regular folks. He did say it’s something everyone should try, his example he did 10 reps of squats to failure at like 450# or something and said he was dead for a week. Not something regular health focused people should do all the time if they want to increase muscle mass.

If you lift til 2-3 reps in reserve, with rest between sets. You’re able to do more work. Lifting to failure causes too much fatigue to do extra work.
He did also mention the best way to increase muscle mass is drop sets; I don’t remember word for word. But he was talking about power lifters and guys that could care less about their threshold tte.
In summary, if you’re a cyclist first don’t lift to failure or you can always FAFO. End of the day it’s only advice and unless you’re getting paid you can always mess around and find out.

You’re right, though I think the main issue being discussed is that the TR software appears to assume that you ARE going to failure in each set because they think that’s the best way to do strength training, and therefore assigns you too much fatigue which then affects whether it gives you yellow/red days thereafter.