Why does this bother you so much? You’re on a forum for TR and the world will be full of different views. Who gives a crap?
If we all agreed with you, would that make things better or is that an elite view of the world and just a little bit selfish?
The thing that bothers me is these comments like “Strava is useless” and “they’ve never been good”. Clearly not true because pretty sure they have more users than all the other cycling apps put together. It’s just people ignoring the fact that there’s a huge subset of cyclists who enjoy Strava for what it is, a social platform. Best believe the local club of 60+ year olds who cycle for leisure together isn’t going to be affected by this change, nor do they care about performance metrics.
Not everyone has to agree with me but people don’t have to be ignorant either.
You are kidding, right? You are saying you read about Lionel’s Strava KOM attempt other places but Strava isn’t the end all be all? You saw his Strava KOM attempt other places but Strava isn’t the end all be all? Just to be sure you are referring to his Strava KOM attempt? 
I find “Strava is great and you are all mean” a strange hill to die on personally.
It’s called marketing. 
You don’t have to die on it. They said they are betting on the people that see value in their service. You do not. Move on?
I’m saying that I read about it first on other websites, such as this forum, Reddit, VeloNews, Cycling News, or the countless other outlets that report on stuff like that. I’m also saying that I never felt bothered enough to find the activity on Strava. I know we all like to believe it, but just because it’s not on Strava, doesn’t mean it actually doesn’t exist. I know these are on Strava, but they exist outside of Strava as well. Keegan’s Everest ride exists by itself you know? You do know that Everlasting attempts existed before Strava right?The Lemmon summit still exists separate from the KOM segment. They are still real world rides, and if Strava didn’t exist, guess what, they would still exist. People have been tracking climbs well before Strava.
You are, ironically, talking in circles Donought.
In some ways, this is actually a GOOD thing. Instead of selling our data to make money via ads, they are going to try to make us pay for the “value” of their product. My SO has regularly said that the only way he’d use FB is if we could pay for it and have control over our data. The real question is whether they will let us stay more private via this business model.
Well, they sort of did. They’ve sold us through Metro, and also through the various partnership things they’ve done, and it doesn’t seem to be enough unless they do a bunch of the suggestions that have come up in the thread. (E.g. enable targeted shoe sales…) And I guess they’re deciding they don’t want to.
I’m not sure that’s the case. I was really disappointed when I realized when I paid for Premium that it didn’t mean that I could “opt out” of Metro.
I may still end up paying for the service. I sort of like the idea of them NOT going down the advertisement path. But I’m not sure I trust that my data will remain more private if they stay this way.
Maybe Strava is the Netflix of old. Netflix pissed most users off with a price increase back a couple years ago, stock dropped, rebuild with streaming and own studios. Now look at how successful they are.
I wasn’t referring to me.
Right, and I am saying he wouldn’t have attempted a Strava KOM if not for Strava regardless of the number of places that report on “stuff like that.”
Why am I on this thread? LOL, I gotta get out of here.
My apologies, a lot of back and forth.
(I’m not stalking you, honest!)
To their credit they have been rolling out incremental updates much faster these past few months. Maybe not novel features, but definitely making the apps richer. Buttering up the community?
Yes, there is some of that…and there are also a whole bunch of people saying “Strava is great”. And there are also people (like me) saying “meh…not terribly happy about this, but it is there right (and obligation, really) to try and make money. Too bad they have chosen poor paths.”
I am willing to subscribe to Premium / Summit / whatever they want to call it…and I have in the past. My previous experience with it was such that I did not find value in it. I liked the “Live Segments” (especially since there was a segment on our weekly group ride that I had achieved solo one day and wanted to 'defend" that KOM on the group ride), but that alone wasn’t worth the $60, IMO.
I’m only asking for a decent value proposition - give me premium features that are equivalent or better than the services I already subscribe to and I will gladly switch (i.e. if their analytics were worth a crap and didn’t try and introduce new metrics that no one understands or uses) and don’t take away services that you had previously been supplying to me when we entered the agreement.
This seems to be the overwhelming majority.
When I started using intervals.icu I wasn’t seeing my HR data. Turned out I’d unchecked a box in Strava along the lines of “You allow us to forward your health data to third parties” (might be a bit differently worded but that’s the jist of it) when what it really should say is “If you use a service that uses your health data from Strava then check here”.
So intervals.icu wasn’t getting the data because I’d stopped it but that shows that Strava can strip out whatever they want from the FIT/GPX files that they pass on to you and others. So they could say is free third party services get location and speed data only, services that charge get everything providing you pay us 30% of your fees. They could also of course make it that they’d only release the data from their subscribers thus getting two bites at the cherry!
They’ll see where the data is going and stamp down on it if they think it affects their business model - look at Relive as an example.
Edit: this is the “help” page about health data in Strava https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000556410 not a dickybird about third parties.
I’m a pretty stout Strava defender and even I think this argument is a stretch.
Thunder, please, you can’t be serious. The whole purpose of him going after the Mt. Lemmon KOM was to take it from another rider that owned the KOM. The KOM is a STRAVA KOM. The segment was a Strava segment. Yes, lots of people would still ride their bikes but Lionel wouldn’t have done videos chasing after Strava KOM’s without Strava. No one is talking about not riding, stop overreacting.
I’ve never thought Strava was good enough to pay for, but now I don’t even think it’s good enough to use for free. I guess I’ll help lighten their server load and save them a couple cents a month.