The data is mine, I have a right to download it from Strava, have them delete it from their site, etc. They have a responsibility to allow me to access to my data. How would I access it without using the API? Do they want to handle all data requests manually?
If I want to retrieve my data and then post it all over the internet, that’s my option as it is my data. They have absolutely no say in what I do with my data once I retrieve it from their site.
Where I feel for TR and wonder how they’re going to fix this is the expanded RL/GL that is basically dependent on pulling extraneous workouts from strava. I wonder if strava will relent in regards to that considering TR isn’t giving us AI advice on doggy walks and lifting. Other than developing their own rando workout recorder for walks, runs, swims, lifting sessions and the like they’ll have to get real cozy with garmin real fast. Are there any other apps/services out there people could record and upload these “workouts” to that TR could pull from to fulfill the expanded RL/GL? My doggy walks seem to be going from garmin to my ridewithgps account, think they’ll cozy up with them? As far as I know that leaves out lifting and swimming but I’m curious all the same.
I record it in Cyclemeter and sync it to Strava to sync it with tr. yes data isn’t mine. I understand their intention, but their AI stuff and anything except social part is so lame. Cyclemeter and ridewith gps are offering much more. Maybe Strava foolishly confident in their product.
They haven’t made any changes to how YOU, the data owner, accesses your data. They’ve made changes to how third party app developers use Strava APIs to access your and Strava’s data. There is a significant difference between the two. You don’t get to dictate if and how Strava makes data available to the community, though you can certainly vote with your subscription (free or paid).
As a Strava user, you would access your data through their application(s), you don’t need access to API.
Just another data point to show that Strava knew the shit storm they were set to release… is the fact they clearly stated that there would be NO discussion about these changes on their forum.
They clearly and deliberately premeditated it all and said that posts about it would be deleted. And as seen above, they acted precisely as they claimed by nuking at least one topic as relayed above.
No confusion, misunderstanding or rogue employee mistating the changes the way I saw that all unfold. They planned to break stuff and aimed to head it off, at least in their sliver of the world.
No amount of doc comparison or hand waving to minimize this act can wipe away that they saw a potential mess coming from their rather large changes. They are clearly in damage control mode now because this likely blew up worse than they expected. All their fault from start to finish IMO.
At a minimum, Wandrer shows your map of Strava activities to other users.
I think the bit on AI/ML is pretty weak: Strava’s new rules are very vague and at least in the “AI/ML community” classical statistical methods play an important role, for example. (About ten years ago, the term in the research community was “Big Data”.)
In the end, Strava is the interpretive authority here and it all depends on whether it either wants to change its rules or be mercurial and grant an exception. If I were Xert, I would start coding on a syncing engine. 
Not surprising. Didn’t they make their forums read-only last time they had “issues”?
Yup, they are clearly intent on leaving behind scorched earth.
Just cancelled my Premium subscription. Also asked for a refund on my remaining months (~5 months). We’ll see if I ever get it.
Not Strava activities, other users activities. Strava doesn’t have any activities.
You sure about that? At a minimum I’ve used Strava to record runs & walks right from my phone Strava app. I’d be willing to bet that at least some of their other activities in that massive list they offer can be captured on the Strava app. I also know some casual cyclists recording via phone + Strava too. I don’t know what else to call these other than “Strava” activities.
I’m not 100% sure about that, but even if they were recorded by a Strava device, they still belong to the user, right? Based on my understanding of GDPR if you collect data related to me that data belongs to me and I have a right to access it and delete it.
To quote Dune “The power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it”
That is different point entirely and not part of my comment.
That said I presume you can “get” your “Strava created” data in the same way as if it came from any other source per GDPR and the like. I don’t see where Strava is preventing that unless you have info on it.
I understand the distinction you’re making, I’m not sure I agree.
Regardless, what would be the correct, or statutorily correct, phrasing?
“Wanderer shows a map created by the activities you have uploaded to Strava” ?
Yes, the T&Cs are clear, mate. This is why I comment saying “in my opinion” and “should” because I am of the opinion that it should be me deciding and not Strava. Intended on being a constructive comment.
I think this is a red herring:
My point is Strava doesn’t own any activities, even activities created using Strava to record them. Users let Strava analyze and summarize data in interesting ways (leaderboards, heat maps, etc.). With my understanding of the GDPR rules, it is my activity and I am allowing Strava to do things with the data.
Agreed.
This could be it’s own thread with potential ideas.
Don’t forget to make sure “contribute your activity data” is unchecked. Another example where we are the product.
I don’t really read the verge but this article got served to me via Google…
Seems like a fairly level-headed (but maybe a bit superficial?) assessment of the situation to me.
