I get what the “Achievable” means, but theoretically the day being red says I am fatigued, so what would be “achievable” normally theoretically shouldn’t be if RLGL thinks I’m fatigued enough to tag the day as red. Otherwise, what does a day being red mean?
It means TR suggests you take the day off in the interest of your overall training health and fatigue management.
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You are missing my overall point: calling a workout Achievable + tagging a day as Red are contradictory signals to athletes.
Hover mouse over stop sign and see what tooltip says.
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To me the information being conveyed its extremely clear.
What is the solution to this problem? Is it giving the athlete less information by withholding where the scheduled workout fits with current PLs? Or maybe grey the scheduled workout, or maybe remove it from the calendar altogether? The whole day is already in a very obvious red. Too me it’s obvious.
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I see no problem with it, what are the alternatives? Imo its not even a contradiction.
It says don’t do a workout, have the “day off” the planned workout would normally be achieveable (and it might still be, probably is, its not indicating that though) Ignore based on feel or have the day off.
Maybe it will get there one day but predicting points of failure or guessing your PL levels based on RLGL given its in beta is expecting too much imo.
Even if it could, moving PL level Categories “Recovery” “Achievable” “Productive” “Stretch” etc, based on RLGL as it stands would be confusing.
I dont actually want it to do that even if it can now or in future.
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The most confusing part to me is that if you ignore the red light and do the workout, there’s a chance the next day will be green.
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It depends.
Over summer experimented for 2 months with no days off, except one rest day during recovery week). Looking back through RLGL prism, had no red days but frequent 3 day blocks in yellow. Any 2h Z2 day where TSS<80, turned next day back to colorless. And it confirms what Garmin said at that time, those days did not add more time to recovery duration. Of course, this is individual, down to your typical volume.
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Did you schedule the workout? Or was it through plan builder? If it was through plan builder then it should adapt the plan-“make it a rest day”. However if your used Train Now - it will not adapt the workout but only act as a prompt/warning. At least that’s my understanding.
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I turned this feature on last week. Reviewed recent and past training history and found the red and yellow days to be reasonable. For 95%+ of my calendar, yellows were days that I didn’t ride or rode Z2. While I had a lot of red days, there were very few situations where I road or raced on a red day. And when I did, it was with the intent to dig a bit of a hole.
One thing I found encouraging is that it seems smart enough to recognize trends and the red/yellow thresholds changed over time. If I did a 200+ TSS day in the off season, it seemed to flag the next day as red, but it was yellow if I was in the middle of a real training block,
Anyway, I’m not sure it’s telling me anything I didn’t already know, but it’s nice to have confirmation. It looks like a solid feature and I could see the potential to build on it by taking additional data points (sleep, resting HR, HRV, etc.). I use an Oura ring for sleep and readiness and I feed my rides/activities into their engine, but I find Oura to be pretty craptacular at gauging my current training load and readiness.
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Please re-read my post, as your response is non-responsive to my point.
Spaceballs reference? If so, I’m here for it.
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I feel like @dubrose40’s clarifying questions are very reasonable and important for answering your question.
First of all TR’s recommendation would be to take a rest day if you have a red day. And I am assuming if this was a TR plan then it would have adapted the red day to be a rest day.
Since the workout is scheduled on a red day I would have to assume that you either manually scheduled the workout or declined a RLGL adaptation.
Either way the workout’s rating is moot. The TR recommendation is to rest.
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PLs are agnostic of RLGL. These two systems (RLGL and PL), for all intents and purposes, don’t know each other.
The “achievable” rating for the workout is just displaying what that workout’s PL is relative to your current PL for that zone.
A new feature set which could be compelling is to have your PLs dynamically change (or lower) if you are on a yellow or red day. But I think that potentially would be a scope creep for PL.
So did TR recommend the workout for the red day? I think this is where @dubrose40’s question is relevant.
Correct me if I am wrong but since RLGL’s behavior is to adapt that red day to have no workout I believe you manually scheduled this workout. If so there is no contradiction because you essentially overrode RLGL.
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The bolded part of your post I quoted gets to the point of my post. Yes, today RLGL & Workout Ratings are independent, but that creates contradictory recommendations back to the rider. That’s all I was pointing out.
I disagree. Adaptive training would simply suggest an adaptation to make a red day a rest day or a yellow day to a lower level endurance workout. If a user is following a TR plan and adhering to all adaptations then they hypothetically would never see a workout on a red day.
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Except this isn’t a true statement as adaptions at the moment aren’t automatic. Plus you are discounting all the TR users who aren’t following a TR plan
I am not sure what you mean by this? Do you mean that the user still has to accept/decline the adapations? If so I imagine there is language in a RLGL adaptation that suggests that declining them means doing so at your own risk.
If you following a non TR plan then how are TR recommendations “contradictory”? You are picking the workouts, not TR, at that point.
He wants PL levels to be advisory in the same way as, and match, RLGL which isn’t going to happen because it doesn’t make sense.
Can we move on now?
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Just discovered this new feature and it’s great. I also just discovered this forum post and it’s huge so sorry if this has already been answered.
The furthest I have seen an indicator is one or two days ahead.
I think I understand that RLGR only looks at work done and doesn’t look at what is planned?
I follow a polarized plan, mainly because it is a perfect match for me with 4 days of training per week. To my knowledge polarized plans doesn’t have a specialty, so I have build my own specialty and taper weeks into the calendar.
And as Nate, Hannah & Jonathan discussed in the podcast: “you don’t want to go into your A-race with a couple of yellow days before…”.
- I am thinking that the RLGR feature actually doesn’t prevent this, right? Since I could (unintentionally of course) plan for disaster and I will not get a heads up until at least some of the work is done.
- When the work is done RLGR will try to adapt workouts if needed. But does it work with workouts that I have placed on the calendar or does the feature only suggest to adapt workouts from plans or Trainnow workouts?
My feature request goes like this: Based on training history and all the ML / AI magic TR suggests adaptions for future manually added workouts well in advance of time 
The suggestion sounds a little like Planbuilder, I know… But I like to plan and play around with the calendar and suggestions on adaptations based on TR knowledge would be extremely powerful and welcome feedback for me