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[Nate_Pearson]

@brenth

RLGL can’t replace common sense. When is TR going to fix this

AT 3.0.

[Nate_Pearson]

@colinsmith123

A couple of new acronyms/abbreviations for me in your reply, Nate. For the ill informed can you let me know what
WLv2 and PL are?

Workout Levels Version 2 - Updated workout levels that gives you credit in all zones. Also works for outside rides.

PLs = Progression Levels

[Nate_Pearson]

@huges84

I asked about this up thread and Zach indicated that it is more of an indicator for overreach. And that’s what it seems to be. I understand it’s looking at longer term to judge what you can handle. But what does a yellow or red actually indicate: danger of overreach (just need to ease up for 1-3 days) or danger of overtraining (needing to greatly reduce and/or stop training)?

It depends on the amount of yellow/red days and what you do on them.

In general I’d say a few red days where you rest is not bad. You’re just overreaching a bit and you recover.

If you keep training hard on red/yellow days, then you’ll start getting into the overtraining area. We don’t know exactly when that will happen, but well keep yelling “STOP” while you do it.

[Nate_Pearson]

@AlphaDogCycling

@Nate_Pearson - see this from yesterday which shows today as Red, but the workout as “Achievable”. So what is the recommendation? Do the “Achievable” workout? If not, shouldn’t the workout “rating” be changed? I realize work “rating” and RLGL are separate, but in this case they seem to be saying contradictory things

Yah, that is confusing. That’s saying the workout is less than your current progression levels, so you should be able to do it.

But we are predicting some long term fatigue here, so you should rest.

So “you could do it, but don’t”.

[Nate_Pearson]

@AlphaDogCycling

Except this isn’t a true statement as adaptions at the moment aren’t automatic. Plus you are discounting all the TR users who aren’t following a TR plan

We’re going to recommend Red/Yellow days to athletes that aren’t on a plan. That’s going to be part of launch.

Remember, RLGL doesn’t tell you if you can do today’s workout or not. It’s about preventing future fatigue.

So even though you had a red day today, you could still probably do a productive or stretch workout.

When this launches, in this case we’d tell you to rest, then you’d have to ignore it. Then after your workout we’d categorize what you did based on where you’re at. (achievable, productive, stretch, not recommended).

It sounds like you want the label of this workout to match the red day recommendation of rest. If that were the case, every workout in the library would say “Not Recommended” and I don’t think it would add any extra value that’s not already on the red day, and it would be confusing as it wouldn’t be what the standard context of that word is on the calendar.

[Nate_Pearson]

@JoeX

Bad data detection.

@Nate_Pearson Do you need us to do anything about workouts with bad data in them? I did a short run yesterday, check my HRM at the start and all seemed good but unknown to me it escalated a 130 bpm up to 200 for the last half on the run which synched into TR from Strava. My maxHR is more like 189 and for that run more like 140-150.

Or can you detect and ignore spurious inputs like this?

Lost my watch charger otherwise I would’ve noticed at the time…

We do some bad data detection and remove bad spikes like that from our analysis. If you have something really wrong, like someone else uses your garmin or you have a bad power meter, you can click into the workout and tell it to ignore TSS and AT for that ride.

[Pipipi]

Thanks @Nate_Pearson and TrainerRoad team.

This looks like a great refinement

[AlphaDogCycling]

This comes off as a slightly different take on what I originally thought RLGL was trying to say. If it is really a “predictor” of future fatigue [I’m getting this from “Remember, RLGL doesn’t tell you if you can do today’s workout or not. It’s about preventing future fatigue.”] then I think you need to rethink how this is presented / described to users. For example: if I have a planned rest week next week, then training on a Red day might be a completely rationale decision as I’m intentionally doing overload going into the rest week.

[BrianSpang]

Training on a red day in order to overreach before a rest week may by rational to you, and maybe to me on occasion also, but it isn’t sanctioned or approved by TR. It’s really as simple as that.

[roleypup]

@JoeX

I didn’t notice anything, it was a really slow short run, then saw this chart

I’ve seen this sort of thing happen with a chest sensor too, after working fine for the first few months. Just checking my pulse & counting confirmed that the sensor was reporting nonsense.

Re your other response to my point I agree it would be easier on the users for the algorithms to ignore such nonsense. [Requiring the user to correct/delete the data] does add a workflow, especially for people who auto-upload. (I nearly always plug the head unit into my computer for that.)

[Eightball]

Is this taking into account my runs and swims as well? or is it just looking at my rides as i’m following a tri plan.

[RobertSims]

Runs yes, swims no (not yet).

[bobmcstuff]

Runs definitely, works really nicely in the run>ride direction (so a hard run can trigger an adaptation to your next ride to endurance etc).

Not sure how it works the other way i…e, hard ride triggering a change to your planned run, but the run support isn’t as good anyway.

[JoeX]

So having no bike just a short run on Red Sunday, and tuned down/swapped in a 45min recovery ride for Amber Monday I woke to Green and had the Wheel 2hrs, threshold, blimey that was hard work.
1280kj effort.

Can RLGL also tell me to have more than two sugars in my coffee for breakfast?

I need to sort out my nutrition now that RLGL is giving me a clearer view of what my hard days are.

[hpsims]

Does this work with trainNow by any chance or just pre scheduled workouts?

[ming]

We just added new functionality to Red Light Green Light with Training Approach! This new setting lets RLGL and Adaptive Training know how you want to train. If you want to prioritize recovery, go with a conservative approach. And if you’re the type of athlete who wants to prioritize intensity and you can manage burnout with proper sleep and diligent nutrition, then an aggressive approach could be for you. If you do go with an aggressive approach, be aware that you are taking on a higher risk of burning out.

You can find this setting in the Account section of the website, under Profile → Adaptive Training. Altering this setting will affect future days on your Calendar, and won’t retroactively adjust red/yellow days.

Thank you for all of the feedback so far! It’s awesome seeing everyone use RLGL and we’re excited to keep adding new functionality!

[ming]

@hpsims

Does this work with trainNow by any chance or just pre scheduled workouts?

TrainNow functionality is coming in the future!

[patricksudol]

@ming I am getting the perpetual spinner when I try to update this slider.

I am getting a 405 Method Not Allowed when calling a GET on https://www.trainerroad.com/app/api/rlgl/member-config:

[mcneese.chad]

Ditto on infinite spinner.

[Nate_Pearson]

@AlphaDogCycling

This comes off as a slightly different take on what I originally thought RLGL was trying to say. If it is really a “predictor” of future fatigue [I’m getting this from “Remember, RLGL doesn’t tell you if you can do today’s workout or not. It’s about preventing future fatigue.”] then I think you need to rethink how this is presented / described to users. For example: if I have a planned rest week next week, then training on a Red day might be a completely rationale decision as I’m intentionally doing overload going into the rest week.

Yes, I think I’ve mentioned this above. If you do plan to do intensity on a yellow/red day, you have to make sure you take extra rest to repay the loan your body took out.

I think of it like spending on your credit card when you’re close to your limit. You have to adjust your spending habits to get back on track.

The closest thing I can think of to RLGL is TSB. Except that has a lot of shortcomings but it’s also almost 20 years old.

I like to think of the landscape like below. Where the x-axis is talking about today vs the future. And the Y axis talks about specially what you shoudl do to train vs a “go or no go” recommendation.

Adaptive Training is focused on today, and gives you very specific workouts tailored to your fitness level to achieve an overall goal you’ve put in the system.

Garmin gives some workouts, but they aren’t as tailored as ours. And Whoops are more general, focusing on what “percent” you are in a certain day.

Redlight Greenlight focus on future fatigue prevention and tells you exactly what to do.

TSB gives you a hint on that you might burn on in the future if you train with lower TSB, but it’s tough because everyone has different thresholds for what a good TSB is for them and you gotta figure that out yourself. Then TSB doesn’t give you any specific recommendation to do.