Why? That’s not the practical definition for the estimation of FTP.
IMO, there’s alot more variability to FTP than we give credence to. Where are you in the spectrum of muscular endurance, mitochondrial density, etc and so where really is your FTP and at what TTE? What about variability day to day due to hydration, nutrition, sleep, recovery/fatigue? But, people like nice crisp numbers and so fixate on a value as if it is an actual measurement. I think the more we can think about FTP as a range, the better off we’d be. I wonder how many people, fixated on a number, leave watts on the table on race day when maybe they could have done 10 more watts on that 20 minute climb.
If you really want more clarity, I’d post your calendar for the past month or so. Are you doing level 1/2 threshold workouts so very short duration intervals at or around threshold? Are you actually getting to a heart rate that would suggest threshold? I’m sure there are many more factors that could be explored.
Yeah, the whole point of the RPE survey is to get your actual RPE, not a lie. The AI can see if you’ve failed to complete the workout, so don’t use it as just a pass/fail indicator
Might have missed something regarding the new AI stuff, but I did a 3.8 rated VO2 Max session the other day and for some reason it’s shown up in my calendar as 6.9.
I’m not in a plan currently but can still see and edit Training Approach. Currently set to Conservative as per screenshot, but I can customise by zone also. However, I was in a plan previously but deleted it as I’m now injured, so:
I don’t know if what I’m seeing is an artefact of having previously had a plan…
If it is merely an artefact, I don’t know if my Training Approach setting will actually have any effect
I believe Training Approach should be settable & customizable outside of a plan - there seems no technical reason to deny this functionality IMO - but TR may have simply overlooked this….?
I just changed back to 303 and the recommended SweetSpot (attached below) has me doing a 14 minute interval at 288 watts which is 36 watts harder than the hardest Redondo +1 interval and 4 minutes longer. Much harder than Redondo +1…
I can confirm. My wife signed up to try it out (TR, when you’ve captured my wife, you know you’re doing something awesome), she is not on a plan, and she has the training approach available, including by zone.
Kevin, is it visible for her in the top right corner of her Calendar, like on my screenshot?
ie. Is this the same for everyone who’s off a plan? Deffo not an artefact of previously having had a plan?
There’s nowhere else in the UI to access this when off a plan, do it depends on it always being visible (clickable, touchable) in that Calendar top RH corner…
Can elevation be incorporated in the AI? I realize that I’m in the minority of users on this, but I split my time between living on the Colorado Front Range at 5k’ and working in the Bay Area at sea level. I train with TR in both locations. It would be great if the AI could adjust my workouts based on where I am. Thanks!!
Excellent - being customizable by zone, and just generally having all these underlying AI-based capabilities available to us even when rolling our own plans, is so powerful. I know I’ve made this point before, but they’ve designed this so well I feel… - and I’m such a critical b@5#£*6
Without seeing your training history, it’s hard to be sure, but if the AI has seen you mark every ride you’ve completed as easy in the past, guess what it’s going to predict your RPE might be in the future….?
The ‘Chad Chart’ is not TR approved, but loads of users reference it as an effective guide to marking their RPE. Take a look, and see how it aligns with some of the past rides you’ve done. You can now go back and edit your RPE responses on past rides, so if you do that (assuming they do change, as per the guide below), you’ll probably see different workout projections and/or FPE prediction.
I accepted the 303 FTP that was the suggestion when the update went through. When I originally manually adjusted back to 260, the 303 suggestion comes back which I accepted in order to provide the examples above.
This is probably an edge case that would be hard to solve for, but I generally run somewhere around 8ish hours a week and jump on trainerroad when the weather is bad or when I want to do a double. If I’m running this much, my ftp basically sits around 280ish… I jumped on to try out the new AI FTP, and it lowered my ftp to 240… I get that this is just a number used for training, but when I jumped on today after doing a 15 mile run I got served with this workout which doesn’t feel right at all. Fully willing to admit that I might be messing things up by not doing a ton of workouts, but the old suggested workouts and AI FTP detection system worked pretty well for me.
Thanks for sharing. It’s interesting though because Nate indicated on the podcast that it analyzes power and heart rate as well. Most of the riding I’ve been doing until the recent cold front that has hit Colorado has been outside with lots of climbing. Prior to this week, I had only done 2 TR workouts in the last 6 weeks while instead riding outside 4 times per week so I’m not really sure that the “easy” designation should be that big of a deal. Is there a way for me to share my calendar?
