6hrs on the trainer. No thank you sir.
5 or so hrs on the MTB just scrapes in to my idea of fun.
Thanks for posting shots of the progressions for endurance rides. They seem pretty self explanatory as it’s the one time IF tells the tale well.
I’m still not sure how you fail one. That then makes me wonder about how AT will deal with progression through the endurance workouts. It’s a much finer tuning than something like THR or VO2.
I’m sure smarter people than me are working away behind the scenes to make this work.
I’ve failed them by going in fasted and having my legs turn to jelly an hour or so in. I’ve also failed them because I was half dead from weight training. I’ve also quit them out of boredom.
It’s rare though.
But yeah, there should definitely be something there that understands when you’ve turned an endurance ride into a tempo ride.
I’m sold on TrainNow. Been using it exclusively for the past two weeks. No failed workouts, all appropriately challenging and it has awakened a new competitive element to TR. I’m a lot more focused on compliance and “unlocking” the next “level” of workouts.
As others have said the edurance, climbing and attacking labels are to do with energy systems not difficulty.
The “climbing” section includes threshold workouts so it is not surprising you are seeing IFs of over 0.9 - especially for a workout duration of 45mins.
I haven’t read alll the hundreds of posts here, but does TrainNow take into account non TrainerRoad rides in terms of making it’s recommendations? For example does it look at TSS or anything from my Zwift ride(s) that show up on the TrainerRoad calendar? I am really liking the feature a lot and would even love to see more than three categories for it even though it makes perfect sense that Climbs, Endurance, etc are the ones listed. I often have trouble keeping on a consistent schedule so the plan builder has not been successful for me so far (my Persona: Just an average joe who loves the structure to get in shape and just be a better cyclist - not a racer)
Not yet, but the long term plan is for TrainNow (and Adaptive Training generally) to eventually incorporate all of your riding, structured or not. For the time being TrainNow is looking at your indoor TrainerRoad workouts, as well as outside workouts recorded using Garmin head units. Outside workouts on Wahoo head units should be incorporated soon as well, hopefully.
That Will make it worth it. All trainings inside and outside and in TrainerRoad or in any other APP beeing accounted for Will make a difference. Im in a stage that i dont want to follow a plan but once or twice a week I need and want some structured training but I dont want any kind of suggestion, what Im looking for to BE suggested is a workout that fits in my rides and gets me some extra fitness.
Edit: @IvyAudrain when TN recommends a new workout is it based on last one or a series? Also I am assuming it looks at what type of workout you just did?
For example 1 week I did 4 endurance and another week I did 2 endurance, 1 climbing and 1 attacking. How would it be different?
Great question; BOTH! Every time a TrainerRoad indoor or outdoor workout is completed, the TrainNow suggestions could potentially change afterwards. In terms of looking at your prior rides, those endurance, climbing, and attacking workouts completed are all considered when TrainNow suggests a workout in accordance to your Progression Levels in those respective zones. Pretty slick!
Sounds great, sorry if this has been asked before but are rides associated with a TR ride also included e.g. if I follow the workout structure on my Garmin head unit and then associate it with a TR workout once uploaded
@IvyAudrain I’m just about to start SSB2, my ftp is roughly correct & I’m pretty ok at VO2 max workouts. I’m thinking of starting the VO2max workout progression with Bluebell or Baird +2 because I’m reasonably sure I can complete them without issue. Would doing either of these progress my Attacking TrainNow suggestions to a more suitable level assuming I complete them well? I’m an mtb rider in New England, often on a single speed & I spend a boatload of time pegging V02max & Anaerobic wattage. Looking at my unstructured ride data, I’m often above threshold for well over 25% of my ride time.
Same question here. And thanks @IvyAudrain and @SeanHurley for fielding these burning questions from us devotees of the new feature. I’ve been trying to do longer endurance rides outside, weather permitting, and intervals indoors. Pushing TR rides on to my Garmin Edge 530 has been great – except that the synching can get pretty confused once I or the system makes a mistake and we try to recover. I’m not sure I understand the difference to TrainNow (and AT when it comes) between an official TR workout performed Outside, and an outside workout “Associated” with an official TR workout, if there is one. In the last weeks I have several outside rides in my career labeled as TR workouts. Monday the Rx was Perkins -! and it showed up pre-ride on my head unit as expected. But I had to faff around a bit to re-pair sensors, and in the process Perkins disappeared from the head unit before I even began. I pushed it back onto the head unit, where it behaved normally, and I rode everything to the letter. No problem uploading it to Connect, and thence to TR.
EXCEPT that it showed up just as an unstructured Afternoon Ride. I edited the ride name to remind me that it was Perkins -1. If I click it on the calendar TR has added a block that says “Associated with Perkins -1.” By contrast, from the week before TR shows Pettit -1 (done outside) as Pettit -1 and also includes the “Associated” note. Are all / none / some of these outside rides included in TrainNow cogitations? If I mess up on the synching pre-ride, but ride as prescribed, is there any way retroactively to get its vote counted? On last week’s ride, I inadvertently selected the shorter of two uploaded rides on the Edge (easy to do on Garmin, and no Undo ). I kept to the longer route and when I got to Workout Ended, simply did the last 3rd home as a New Ride, which is recorded in Career unassociated with anything. Makes sense to me – all one TR ride as prescribed – but I’m not sure I can tell the TR Brain that.
Sean says:
For the time being TrainNow is looking at your indoor TrainerRoad workouts, as well as outside workouts recorded using Garmin head units.
Would be great if TN is including any outside ride recorded on a Garmin, but I suspect that Sean meant only real TR workouts ridden outside with all the secret identifiers intact, and no second chance.
Sorry to add to anyone’s workload with questions like this – since you guys have been phenomenally productive in the last months. Hate to be punishing you for delivering all these new goodies!
Let me try to explain how this is currently working!
TrainNow references your Progression Levels (even if you’re not on the AT beta and can’t see them yet) in the relevant training zones. That’s the only thing it’s looking at, as we’ve mentioned previously. So its singular goal is to recommend suitable workouts for your current abilities in those particular zones.
Progression Levels are currently affected by ALL completed TrainerRoad indoor rides, planned or unplanned.
Progression Levels are currently affected by planned TR Outside Workouts pushed to Garmin head units before your ride. Currently, outside workouts retroactively associated with a TR workout after the fact are not affecting Progression Levels in the same way, but if the workout was pushed to your head unit before you did it, it should count.
(Example of when it wouldn’t count: I do a self-guided VO2 max workout outside that is loosely based around Broken Finger. After the ride, I manually associate the workout in TR with Broken Finger.)
Progression Levels (and by extension, TrainNow) are not currently affected by any Outside Workouts done on Wahoo head units, but this is a known issue being addressed by our engineering team.
Eventually, we’re planning to have your Progression Levels (and thus, TrainNow) be affected by ALL rides, whether or not they’re unstructured or structured, indoors or out. But for the time being, the above conditions apply. I hope that clarifies for you all! Let me know if you still have questions. @oldcrank@Kris_Wyman
Thanks, Sean! Your Point 3 is a clearer answer than my question was.
The takeaway for me is that if weather beckons me for an ad hoc outdoor ride, I need to insure before riding that I have not simply pushed it to the Garmin but scheduled it on the calendar and let it arrive at the Garmin via the calendar route, so it’s seen as planned. I do understand your example that a retroactive association of a ride I’ve already done doesn’t qualify at this point. No further clarification needed unless by “planned” you mean the ride has to be not just a recognized TR workout that I have scheduled on the calendar for that day, but also that I have to be on a recognized TR Plan and doing the right workout on the designated day.
Right- it doesn’t need to be a Training Plan- assigned workout, just a workout that existed on your calendar before you did it and that was affirmatively pushed to your head unit.
At what point does it not count towards completed/progression?
I am wondering as an example I am doing a 2 hour endurance but need to get off for a break to answer a call or help with something and get back on and finish. I did not have a problem and would not have stopped but life gets in the way sometimes.
Edit: also ftp and progression are sort of linked right? Example is I have 300 ftp and get through 6 weeks of TN suggestions. Raise my ftp to 310 and next workout is based on ftp of 300 progression level??
