I’ve been reading many of the post about the new AI. I just resubscribed and on-boarded. It’s detecting a very low FTP based on my recent activities, almost 20% low. Looking at the planned workouts, the powers are commensurately low, so low I don’t even want to bother doing them. Maybe the new “FTP” is different, but the power in the workouts is silly low. Is there something I need to change or do differently? Maybe do an FTP test in the app? Should I just go with it and expect it’ll quickly get reasonable?
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I think a few people have found the onboarding AIFTP to be on the low side.
If you know/think that a ramp test tends to give you a half-decent approximation as to your actual FTP, that’s going to be the easiest way to get to a productive number in a timely fashion.
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Yeah. I deleted the plan and will do a few self-selected workouts, then a ramp test, and see where that goes. Hopefully that’ll be more reasonable.
Are you planning on building out a training plan to follow? I’d give whatever tough workout we recommend a shot to see how it feels.
You don’t have much for structured training in your recent history, and none of your past rides that I can see have RPE surveys filled out.
Maybe fill some out from the past few weeks, and I can see if that makes a difference on the back end. Nothing that I can see so far tells me that your FTP is wildly off, though.
Let’s try to get some more data in there through RPE surveys and maybe a TR workout or two, and we can see what happens.
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I just resubscribed so no survey responses on recent rides, which since the end of last March are all unstructured outdoor rides. I’ll go add some survey responses and see what happens,
I just completed The Priest 4 which is identified as Threshold 4.1 so intervals were basically at my AI determined FTP. It gave me 62% probability of fail. I didn’t and rated it as Moderate. My predicted FTP went down a further 9%. The avg pwr and normalized power for this workout are lower than many of my typical rides, so finishing it wasn’t difficult.
EDIT: I went back and rated the previous month’s 9 rides. Predicted FT went down another 1%.
I’m gonna do a few more workouts over the next week or so, then do an FTP test, and see what things look like at that point. Let me know if that’s a reasonable way to proceed.
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I did the same thing. The AI FTP detection is not even close. It predicts 211 when I sit between 235-240. I did 220 for 45 minutes and 140bpm average un-targeted 2 days ago. I did 250 watts for 17 minutes last week un-targeted. I can do 211 at 137bpm average. My max HR is 177-180. I was looking at the wattage the workouts were prescribing and it’s a joke for where my actual power is. I have no idea how this works but it is not recognizing my FTP properly. I have also contacted Customer Support and not a received any explanation other than saying it’s a recalibration of my FTP. It has me at 212 when I feel it is somewhere between 235-239 based on recent power numbers. Garmin has me at 233 and Xert 238.
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Time to do a test and go from there.
TrainerRoad is now an RPE based system really - not FTP based.
Best way to allow it to learn you is to do some workouts and fill out the survey.
Up to you what you do with the FTP - you can either use TRs value or input another one manually - but this wont make the workouts easier or harder - the AI only does that based on RPE (and heart rate).
I would forget the FTP for now - use the TR value - maybe do one or 2 workouts that are too easy - and the system will catch up quickly.
You can put in your “real” FTP value but you may run into errors where the AI cant find workouts that it is sure you can complete up until the point where the system knows you better.
Yeah. I’ll keep plugging away for a while and see where it goes. I can totally ignore FTP, but I can’t ignore the plan workouts being too easy. TR AI has a few years of my data including my previous structured workouts and rides up to now, which I had hoped would be more enough to generate a reasonable plan, especially since the new AI is supposed to properly take into account unstructured rides and now includes HR in the analysis. Those unstructured rides did not have survey responses, so I went back and added a month’s worth. The plan went the wrong way.
I did try entering what I feel is a more realistic (but still conservative) FTP but got a warning that AI wouldn’t work (or something like that) if I did, so I removed it.
So, I’ll do few more self-selected workouts, then a ramp test, and see what happens…
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