What were your results? Did you feel like you maintained fitness? Maybe, felt like your durability increased even if your threshold remained the same? In other words, any additional insight?
Yes, that’s the case and I probably didn’t make my message clear enough. I’ve never seen it prescribe other than 3/1, as you write, when it’s only the Join workouts in the calendar. Seems like a fixed rule.
What I wanted to convey was that in this case the fourth day was prescribed by Join despite having done three days in a row. Some people seem to think Join prescribes rest after three days no matter what you did.
Ha. I specifically finished my post with “maintained my fitness” because I knew you’d ask!
Seriously though, if you’re asking that question, it sounds like you DO have some sort of goal, and if so, I’d give that more thought when choosing how you want to focus. If you want to maintain general all around cycling fitness, I think LSRF is great.
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Yes, I saw that statement. I was just wondering how “you” defined maintaining fitness?
I’m not clear what you’re asking. Are you looking for some kind of numerical analysis? An example of the workouts in the plan? You said
so I named the Join plan that I think is good for that because I thought you were asking for advice from people who’ve used Join.
Maybe I misunderstood?
Sorry for the confusion. You said that you maintained fitness. How did you determine that? Did you have data or just RPE.
Nah, the whole point of “just maintain” for me is to get away from the data for a while but continue to ride my bike without significantly neglecting any zones. So that would be doing some rides in each zone, maintaining volume, etc…but not doing any kind of structured week to week progression. If I’m thinking about the data much more than that, I’m focused on specific goals, and that would change the plan I’d do. Hope that helps!
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It does!
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Odd behaviour I’ve noticed.
I set my availability to 1h30 per day because thats what I can guarantee after work, and I can’t always guarantee the weather or time on the weekend. I often ride more - 2-4hrs a couple of times a week.
Anyway - it seems to get stuck when reccomending workouts at this duration. Every time I get a Vo2 workout, it gives me the 6*40s all out sprint workout. If I click shuffle, it only offers me this.
If I adjust my availability to 1h45 it wants me to do ronnestads or 40/20s. If I adjust my availability to 1h15 it wants me to do ronnestads or 40/20s. 2h? Guess what, 40/20s. 1h30? 40s sprints.
I wonder if actually there is a sort of rigidity in the library that needs a fix where it prioritises hitting exactly that amount of time instead of load.
1h25 of 3x13x30/15s is much more load than 6x40s sprints, so why should it think I need the lower load workout, especially as it wants me to increase my hours? Equally, I’m sure nobody who puts in 1h30 would be too grumpy with being offered something 1h35 if it was the right workout…
I noticed something similar this week.
I hat a availability of 2 hours. And get 2x20min Threshold with short sprints every 5mins.
At this Day i only have 90min to train so i set it down, now i got 6x2min + 6x1min vo2max.
This makes no sense for me, the first one is a threshold workout and the 2nd was a very very hard vo2max workout.
I ride it but i dont unterstand why i got his trainings with total different training goals…
Now i had my last week of the FTP Builder. I had no races planned in near future. Anyone know whats next? The Stamina Builder? The FTP Builder again? The Plan to get a better Climber? I‘m a bit perplex what should i do now.
I think one of Join’s big weaknesses is that they built their model based on people wanting to do some European event, so they expect us to pick one of those plans that is aimed at the goals of that specific event. If you just train because you like to train, or you don’t live near one of those events, it’s less obvious what you should choose. I think they probably assume it’s as simple as you having a personal goal that helps you pick the next plan. What do YOU want out of your next plan? Want to climb? Want to build stamina? Etc. No goal? LSRF.
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Thats the point i don’t have an actual goal. I only want to try how high i can get my FTP but its hard to get higher.
Maybe its a plateau or i‘m still near limit. No one knows.
I’ve nevet used JOIN, though I’d be interested to try. If you just want to improve your FTP, can’t you put a target event of something like a long time trial in about six months time?
Join literally has a plan called FTP Builder, but I think they were wanting to do something different since they just completed that one.
FTP Builder is what they call a build plan, he could either start a new build plan or progress to an “improve” plan, maybe LFRS which is supposed to be a more all around plan, and after that one move to a more specific “improve plan”
What I do is set my long ride day for the max duration, then adjust to what I have available that day. In my case it cuts down on getting “struck” as you said.
Yes, do a one day race event.
That’s exactly the problem with almost all AI training apps.
I don’t want to race, I want to improve my performance, maybe chase a few segments.
I simply don’t understand why there isn’t an app that can create a continuous training plan. One that analyzes performance based on completed workouts and continues to update the training plan.
The LSRF plan sounds best to me right now; I have to get the annual subscription paid off somehow.
That’s not to say I’m not happy with Join; after all, I was able to increase my FTP by 20w in 3 months. But the whole thing could be structured a bit more simply.
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I am back on the LSRF plan and have told Join that I also want 2 runs per week. I am now also seeing it prescribe more than the standard 3/1 ratio. Tomorrow will be my 4th day of assigned workouts in a row. It actually had me taking today off at first, which would have been two on, one off (today), but when I updated the slider today to show that I had much higher readiness than it guessed, it added a workout today and did not delete the workout tomorrow. Assuming it’s still there on Monday, that will be 4 on / 1 off.
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What’s the general thoughts on power targets within JOIN for their VO2 workouts?
But is there some sense we think a workout like 90mins with 2x 10x 40/20s at 113%? I can’t imagine anyone is much out of z2 HR by the end of that.
I gave up on the player and started using auuki.com which is superb, but every so often I actually look at the target and wonder.