🎉🎉🎉 Introducing Outside Workouts! 🎉🎉🎉

[CrunchyGears]

I’ve heard this mentioned several times now with no response. @bnied, @Pete, @Nate_Pearson, @chad, @Jonathan, any plans to address this?

@Huegelreiter

Now we more then ever need a clever built in way to also set indoor- vs. outdoor FTP!

My outdoor FTP is 15-20 Watts higher than my indoor FTP.

@CrunchyGears

Does this mean we need to do an outdoor FTP test also?

@Dostring

We need indoor and outdoor FTP setting. Mine is 20 watts lower inside.

[cyclhist]

@bnied

We came back to the idea of having the prescribed time be similar for endurance outside workouts with the disclaimer that you may need to ride longer than is planned to hit the prescribed TSS.

As a Garmin user, one issue I see with this is that Garmin’s live TSS is generally quite a bit higher than TR’s TSS calculation for the same workout even when the FTP is set correctly in Garmin. I don’t know why that is, but it does make it harder to know you have hit the right TSS target.

[bbarrera]

@cyclhist

Garmin’s live TSS is generally quite a bit higher than TR’s TSS calculation for the same workout even when the FTP is set correctly in Garmin.

“Live TSS a bit higher” - haven’t noticed this, although I don’t constantly look at TSS during a ride.

After the ride TSS matches up well, for example my last 3 outside rides:

Wednesday 10 April

• Garmin 1:14:54 moving time / 75.9 TSS
• TR 1:14:56 moving time / 75 TSS
• on this group ride I went off the back to ride in zone 2, and looked a couple times at TSS as my goal was to keep it under 100. Didn’t notice a “too high” TSS during the ride, and when finished the head unit was at 75 and thats what I saw after the ride on TR and Garmin Connect.

Sunday 7 April

• Garmin 3:18:57 moving time / 161.3 TSS
• TR 3:19:05 moving time / 159 TSS
• only looked at TSS a couple times mid ride, appeared normal

Wednesday 3 April

• Garmin 1:51:32 moving time / 145.7 TSS
• TR 1:51:34 moving time / 143 TSS
• didn’t look at TSS during ride

Garmin Edge 520 and Stages power meters (first with L-only gen2, and now LR gen3)

[Scollett84]

Love this concept for sure - I’ve generally been making cue cards to ride outside, however today I have Mallory +1 which is pretty confusing for outside. The swap for outside is Eldorado Peak which is below. My question for @chad @Nate_Pearson and team is, if Mallory is over under why not swap with a more simplified over under instead of 3’ V02’s? Love TR all around just trying to understand better! Stu

"Main Set:
3 sets of the following

• 3x3 minutes between 354-370 watts with 3 minutes easy between intervals.
• Spin easy for 6 minutes between sets.
• After main set, ride 40 minutes steady at 200 watts.

[cyclhist]

Interesting, thanks for the comparison. Maybe there was a hiccup with my FTP somewhere in the system, I’ll make sure to check all the spots. It’s also possible that this was partially because this was because these were sprint workouts—where data interval differences in the way the data is recorded/processed etc. would have quite a significant impact.

[bbarrera]

I’m a little OCD about data, and haven’t noticed an issue between Garmin TSS and TR TSS. Only time there is a mismatch is when ftp differs between Garmin and TR.

After a TR ramp test I always forget to update Garmin ftp, and notice TSS mismatch after a ride or two.

[BaronGreenback]

Just built my first workout in TP. What a pain in the posterior. Head unit integration for my Wahoo can’t come soon enough!

[rocourteau]

@bbarrera

I’m a little OCD about data

The opposite would make you an outlier around here…

[dbf]

This is going to be great!!! @Nate_Pearson, at the moment do we have to first go into our Calendar in a proper browser to set a given workout to outside? In other words, can I not simply open the TrainerRoad app on my iPhone when I’m getting on my bike outside the garage and cue up the day’s Outside workout right then?

[bbarrera]

@rocourteau

The opposite would make you an outlier around here…

true dat!

[dbf]

My Garmin TSS was always higher than TrainerRoad TSS for outside rides UNTIL I realized that a privacy zone I’d set in Strava was tricking TrainerRoad into thinking I’d ridden fewer miles than reality. You don’t have that going on do you @cyclhist?

[cyclhist]

Ha!

[Scorpion756]

I’m not advocating for 1:1 inside:outside conversions. I think that’s unnecessary and slightly crazy.

I’m trying to understand why so many indoor workouts have wildly varied alternate versions when it seems as if the original inside workout could port directly over to outside execution unaltered.

And I wouldn’t even bother to pursue the question, except that I count at least a dozen other commenters in the thread asking the same thing.

[rocourteau]

That would make sense, you basically vanish from the surface of the planet when you enter the privacy zone as far as Strava is concerned.

[Nate_Pearson]

@robertbb

• With the new Garmin API announced, will we have the option of pushing the indoor workouts to Edge head units as well or will this be limited to outdoor workouts?
• I’ve never really stuck to a plan shock horror but chosen individual workouts based on time/fatigue/weather. Will we be able to push individual workouts to our head units in a piecemeal fashion or do we have to have a plan in the calendar?
• Will we be able to push custom workouts to our head units as well, or only workouts created by coach chad?

1. We haven’t decided this yet. As I said above we might have the same inside workout be available outside as well.

2. You can push piece meal workouts. This is just the beginning, we’ll expand the option for outside only workouts scheduled on the calendar.

3. Not right now. We’re rebuilding the workout creator and I can see this being part of that.

[Nate_Pearson]

@Asgerhj

But until then, could you maybe also work on audio cues from the phone app?
Narrated by coach Chad of course

There are no plans for audio queues (done by us) since we can now push workouts to Garmin and Wahoo.

[Nate_Pearson]

@pgyates1983

Will it only be the Edge, or will we also be able to follow workouts on

That’s a good question, I don’t know the answer. I’ll email Garmin and ask.

[Nate_Pearson]

For that, they are both working VO2 Max. We have finer grain control to match low vo2max with traditional vo2max but that’s going to take a bit longer to do.

[Nate_Pearson]

We don’t have plans to have multiple FTPs.

[Nate_Pearson]

@cyclhist

As a Garmin user, one issue I see with this is that Garmin’s live TSS is generally quite a bit higher than TR’s TSS calculation for the same workout even when the FTP is set correctly in Garmin. I don’t know why that is, but it does make it harder to know you have hit the right TSS target.

I’ve noticed this too and I thought it was just me. Could you email support@trainerroad.com with some examples? We could then send those to Garmin. Let us know if Garmin Connect has the same TSS as us. I think Garmin Connect is right, but on my 1030 it reads too high.