i think i will quit my TR Subscription and change over to Xert, AI FTP Detection for me is always 20 Watt to high and TR support won’t help to improve it!
It looks like only interval.icu, WKO5 and Xert give me my real FTP!
The good thing, with Xert i have Outdoor Workouts on my Karoo 2 too!
Or you could just manually knock it down by 20 watts and crack on. 
Sure, I could reset it manually, but then the whole thing is worthless because it also has an indirect influence on the progression levels
You don’t neee to use AI FTP detection if you feel it’s not working for you. Under Account > Early Access you can “disable” this. You can also disable Adaptive Training if you prefer.
This allows you to continue to use whatever testing protocol you prefer. Either way, hope you find an approach that works for you.
It would actually be great if the support would investigate the problems and try to fix the problems I’m having, but they don’t do that, in other words, I’m left alone with it and can’t use these new functions
If people are getting the “wrong” AI FTP, wouldn’t AT just take care of it based on the survey results? Since I got a bump, I had a couple of “all out” workouts (the first VO2 max and threshold), plan adapted based on my survey and now I’m back completing them and progressing.
not really, when i answer with all out, then there isn’t a really change on the next workouts
I believe AT is much more subtle than 1 reply on a survey. I’d bet if you replied the same for 2 or 3 workouts then you’d start seeing future workout levels dropping.
Yes, the second “all out” albeit different zones, triggered further adaptions anything above threshold iirc. That was me selecting “all out” rather than a system triggered “failure”, which I’d expect if it was 20 watts off (i.e. I’d expect to fail at 20watt difference anything above threshold). If I was able to complete “all out”, I don’t think AI FTP can be that far off?
Sorry I don’t fully understand what you mean by a system triggered failure.
You either complete the workoout and mark “all out” or don’t complete and mark the failure due to inensity. AT will make adjustments based on the workout.
I mean I marked as All Out, after completing, and said intensity. Rather than me “failing” to complete and getting the immediate struggle survey.
There’s no way if FTP was 20watts off I’d be completing, even “all out”, 2 minutes VO2 max at 120%. So I’d be expecting a system generated struggle survey. I don’t know whether I’m explaining it very well to be honest!
If you complete a workout without adjustment you just get a survey about effort (easy - all out).
Only if you fail or have to turn down a workout due you get another survey asking the reason why, in this case you can state intensity. (others include sleep, illness, etc)
Keep in mind that this is a more complex system than we might typically summarize. If you complete a workout with an “Achievable” Difficulty rating, and list it as All Out, you can expect a follow-up survey. That’s because TR thinks that it should have been doable and likely end with an Easy or Moderate rating. A Very Hard or All Out rating is a sign of a problem, so it would want to know why that is and give the Struggle survey to learn more.
Based upon that following survey info (because some answers likely require action while others don’t), AT may or may not make changes to the pending workouts on the calendar.
Point being, there are definitely times that people will get both surveys and it’s not purely an issue of turning down intensity or other bailouts. There is a relative consideration with respect to your Progression Level and the Workout Level, coupled with the Survey rating(s).
This is the reason it’s so difficult for us to give much guidance on the forum. To have any meaningful review, we need the the the Survey Rating AND Workout Difficulty info at the very least. Too often, all we get is the survey rating, but that is only part of the equation.
Not true in my experience. The two last week I marked “all out”, and got the struggle survey (intensity, sleep etc) which I marked “Intensity” as that’s what it was. I’ve also had this in the past with workouts I’ve “passed” but marked all out.
I’ve also had the struggle surveys in the past for the number of pauses in a workout, not just because of turning down intensity. That was before AI FTP when I self selected FTP (as I am shocking at testing).
OK, I have never recieved this secondry survey so didn’t realise (every day is a school day 
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I use TR since 3 years and AT since beginning
Might depend on the workout level? Both were down as “productive” rather than “Stretch”.
I suppose my main thing is I trust the TR system, so I use AI FTP, backed by AT, and me being honest and consistent in my survey answers. The latter sometimes the hardest bit, because ego!
Agree and it took me a while to trust AT, I noticed the intensity ramp rate over a block seemed lower than the previous fixed plans. at forst I had an “old school” (wrong) opinion that harder is better.
I know trust AT and FTP prediction seems pretty accurate for me.
Probably won’t ever do a ramp test again. Had one scheduled yesterday and forgot about AI FTP until I was about to test. AI said my FTP was 267. Decided to go ahead and do the test since I had already mentally prepared for it. Tested at 266. Full trust in the system going forward.
I think I might do one every 6 months. In my experience the tests in plan were too regular anyway (at least for an old bstrd like me).