- Have you contacted support with these issues & questions?
- If so, what have they told you about the status here?
Tbh, why bother. Everytime I raised my concerns with progression levels and AI ftp detection the answer was basically “working as intended”
@pnzr I’m a little late to this particular conversation but I’m not sure how much you think your progression levels should change for a 2w change in FTP? 2w is less than the difference between a good and a bad day. It probably registers less than 0.1 of a change in progression.
I’ve just had similar, a 3watt increase in FTP and whilst I thought it might knock my progression levels back a bit and give me some easier workouts for a week or so, it doesn’t actually look like it has changed anything.
Which if I’m being honest… 3watts shouldn’t make or break a session and the sessions should still be about right (progression levels the same as before)
I agree, but if 7+ progression levels without failes workouts don’t result in an bigger ftp bump, than something is wrong with the system.
Depending on a host of factors, FTP stalling can be a reality while still getting gains in other areas. It is a single metric and far from the be all end all in assessing actual fitness. If you haven’t looked wider than that, I’d consider checking potential gains in other training levels and/or things like time to exhaustion in other zones.
Which phase and zones are you currently in?
This x10. I stalled out last year on ftp increase but where I progressed was how long I could maintain a percentage on my ftp for races. So ftp bump vs riding a higher percentage of ftp is a wash and still shows gains. That’s what I love about PL. You are always gaining no matter what ftp says. Jmo
This is actually good to confirm, cos for anyone who has trained for a few years they have likely got close to their maximum FTP number but like you say, gains in other areas are still to be had
What is considered 14 days? I had my previous FTP change 2 weeks ago on Tuesday, and now although 2 weeks have passed, and it is Tuesday, FTP detection is still not available. Does FTP history also register time of day the change was made, so that it has to be 336 hours plus one minute to be 14 full days?
Because I added some events to calendar and recalculated the plan, new FTP is scheduled today, and I would rather use the detection instead of taking the test.
Based on some similar issues above, I do think it’s set with a full 14 days gap to the hour. It probably should be 13 days if that’s the case.
I highly recommend contacting support@trainerroad.com to let them know about your issue. Their setup needs adjustment for proper use, IMO.
Well, I did a ramp test yesterday and got 1 MORE WATT! Lol. 287.
(Towards the end I made a mistake and stood up, shifted up, and then remembered I was in erg mode. 
No recovering from that mistake.)
Wow, was just going to post about this today. I had scheduled a ramp test on the calendar on the day (ie today) when I should be able to get another estimate, and this morning it said I needed to wait 6 more hours. It does seem to require a wait of 336 hours.
Support emailed.
Used FTP detection 2 days ago (14W bump), AI then gave me Plummer +2 (WL 5.5), which I completed easily - not breathing through the nose easy, but not difficult at all or as I thought it would be.
I check my calendar today, and:
Conveniently my trainer is non-functional at the moment so a ramp test is out of the question 
Is it correct that the AI FTP Detection will only show up if a Ramp Test is scheduled? It does not appear otherwise? Thanks.
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I have to say it works very well with me, I really like this feature.
Question, I am almost half way through the Speciality phase, next week is rest week, I added an FTP test on Tuesday to see how I am progressing as I feel that I have improved. I just let the AI detection do its job and it suggested a 5W increase (+1.8W from 278W). Is this tricking the algorithm or is it allowed? I don’t see anything wrong but worth double checking.
It’s not tricking the algorithm, but I’d just suggest being cautious depending on whether you have an A-Race at the end of Specialty
Just a quick background. I have been training since around 2016/17 and although I haven’t always been as consistant as I would like to be my FTP generally hasn’t gone much below 270w (same power meter/turbo most of this time). It peaked at 309w in 2020. 2021 was a bit of a disaster training wise as I was ill for quite some time and then just started getting back into training and then injured my ankle quite badly running so that put me out for another few months. The illness felt like it lingered as well when I tried to do any excercise. I started back up again Feb of this year and tested at 226w. Pretty humbling to drop so much but it is what it is.
Used the AI FTP feature at the start of April and got an FTP of 245w. It felt about right then but most of the workouts I marked as moderate/easy. There wasn’t anything that majorly taxed me so felt like I was due an FTP bump. AI FTP detection wanted to put me at 242w today… Feeling this wasn’t right I went ahead and did the ramp test anyway and got a result of 288w. That’s a substantial difference!!! Would be nice to know what went on here.
Short summary here:
The first two FTP’s at the bottom were traditional Ramp Tests. The Dec 1 test was the first real workout/test after nearly 2 months off the bike other than a handful of random rides (home remodel focus). I was sure that first test was a bit of an under-performance (“mental” bail vs body), but I left it in place and trained on it knowing I’d rather train re-start my season with one too low vs too high.
The second Ramp Test on Jan 12 went better from a performance perspective (I pushed quite hard and had a true physical bail). That apparent FTP jump is larger than what I would guess was real considering the first was low.
The final four FTP changes are from AIFTPD. The Feb, Apr, and early May ones all seemed logical based upon my apparent progression, survey responses and the AT path that was set and I followed. I feel the one for today is also appropriate and the status right now shows progressing well for the season ahead as my first events are weeks away.
All of this while closely following TR workouts in my Low Vol plan (with a 2x strength sessions and 1x long Endurance added per week), nearly entirely inside with a couple Endurance rides and one hard group ride outside. Planning to heading outside a few more now with weather shaping up (hopefully) and needing to sharpen handling skills.
Overall, I am loving not testing and think the trend is working well for my needs. Notably, I have been able to use AIFTPD with AT and follow the actual TR Plan Builder setup vs doing my alternate method of manual plans with added recovery weeks for a different Work/Recovery week pattern like I did for several seasons prior to PB + AT.
That prior process was needed as I got into my mid 40’s while following the main TR plans of old, that apparently were too aggressive for my age and training/recovery abilities. But with this new combo, I can just go along for the ride with less hassle than before and seem to be getting good results.
- Est. 230w FTP at the start, to 258w FTP today = 12% gain in 6 months, which seems OK based on my history with TR since Nov 2015.
That’s a niiiice looking FTP progression. 