I’m really looking forward to using this feature, for a number of reasons. I test badly, but train really well. I still can’t seem to get that recovery week before a Ramp Test right, meaning that whilst i always reduce TSS on the bike, I nearly always end up running with my wife, playing with the kids and doing more physical jobs at the weekend (a few days before the ramp test), simply because i’m wired in such a way that means i need movement and activity for my sanity and wellbeing. I have never felt fresh for a ramp test and nearly always bump up my effort levels during the training workouts, so this will be interesting.
I’m not saying this in anticipation of an FTP bump either - i continue to ‘trust the process’ and do what I’m told - but this will answer a question that i have been asking myself for a while.
Well done Trainerroad - this is why i’ll never use other platforms.
Just checked the new feature and it seems to be working pretty well. My training during this winter has been very unstructured mix of indoor workouts and outdoor rides, with a total of 5 to 6 excercises a week. The AI shows a minor drop in my FTP, which I agree fully.
During the outdoor season (from March to November, if I am lucky🤞) I don’t do any Trainerroad workouts, but all my rides are synced to Trainerroad. What is the process for checking and updating the FTP during that time? Should I just every now and then add the ramp test to the Trainerroad calendar and let the AI detect the FTP like I did now?
Just finishing up SSB2 LV today, and my estimated FTP is 273 (up form 258 at the end of SSB1!) which I’m stoked about. I am, however, a bit worried as that’s quite a big jump…
In the case that the estimate is too high, am I right in thinking that FTP detection will continue to “check itself” if I am struggling with upcoming workouts, and suggest a lower FTP?
Haha possibly! The way I see it, I intend to treat these FTP estimates the same way I’ve been treating ramp test results. A starting point that I may override if it starts to feel wrong. I’ve had high ramp test results at the peak of a season that burnt me out shortly after. After some experience I started taking those results with a grain of salt. Can do the same with these, but without having to do the ramp 
AT will adjust your training based on your result survey. So if you’re struggling you won’t progress through progressive levels as fast but you’ll have productive workouts.
Yeah, I’m the same.
Hopefully AT will keep the barriers up if I start to struggle and I’m aware this FTP might be a bit high.
Either way, I’m glad to not be doing FTP tests anymore. For some reason I am able to absolutely bury myself to finish a workout, but unless I feel good, will bail out of FTP tests early.
You shouldn’t have to bump up every single workout. If you feel your PLs are low and you’re not willing to wait for the AI to catch-up and bump you to the correct level, just do 1 or 2 Stretch or Breakthrough workouts and it will automatically bump your PL. This has been true since the day PL’s were released.
I think I found a workaround - I self-adjusted to a lower FTP a few days ago due to illness. I now went to the FTP history, removed the last adjustment and the AI detection worked just fine!
Which feature do you not have? Are you saying that your FTP detection is hanging like many others? Or something else?
You will get in on the day of the ramp test. So if you move your ramp test to today, you will get the screen when you open the app (if the ramp is the only workout for the day).
@ambermalika Maybe you guys can prioritize the ramp test above another workout if both are plannend on the same day?
No, that is what AT is for. FTP detection only adjusts your FTP when a FTP test is scheduled. If a workout is too hard use the survey at the end of the workout and AT will adjust your future workouts.
However, what you described is a future plan/goal of TR to adjust FTP on the fly.
Thanks.
On testing high, yeah I get that some people test high, but I’ve never felt I tested high. And, if I did test high, then the ensuing week and a half of workouts at the higher FTP should have been more difficult than they were.
But my broader point is that even if AI FTP Detection had me at or around 197 through Base 1, it should now have taken into account a week and a half of “moderate” marked workouts at 207 and learned from those.
Haven’t done a ramp test in months, and have had a pause from all training for approx 10 weeks. Tried the AI now and it appears to be perfectly accurate according to my own estimation, and the following workout felt very good. This is AWESOME, since I dread the ramp test.
I can’t imagine that FTP detection is taking in survey responses. I would bet that it is only considering the work done along with other workout metrics in your past. The longer and more consistently you’ve been on TrainerRoad workouts and FTP tests the more accuracy/confidence the FTP detection has.
Had a little look to test, and also thought about what my FTP might be beforehand.
Bang on what I had expected. I would probably have gone for 280 dead had I been updating my own (obviously that is basically the same as 281…). The 276 was probably a bit over for a while due to time off, so ny actual improvement has been more than that.
Didn’t accept as I am mid block, wanted to go through the progression to the end.
I wouldn’t call 10w (5%) significantly high to worry about it if it was the case. Im not sure how much it’ll take into account. Chad says its 12 workouts at least (I wrongly thought last 12) so it should be influenced strongly by the later stuff but I don’t know by how much as it seems it consider your whole history. I suppose it must be considering mostly how you performed when you had a 207w setting as I would have thought they would have most influence but I am no experience on this new system.
Edited after Chad’s corrections I hope I have it right.
Posted in the prior thread but didn’t post my thoughts. I don’t really do testing, so I’ve adjusted myself up and down depending on my workout trends. For 2021 I kept myself at 290 and while using the adaptive training beta did well with the workouts, really only struggling on a handful. As I kicked off base in November, I manually bumped myself to 295 while doing my own version of SSB HV (subbing more z2 sessions and keeping sweet spot to thurs and sat) and really did well. I just started build this week and hadn’t adjusted my ftp but if I were to do it I’d go 300, so to get the prediction I got, it def seems in line with my training and what I feel I could possibly do.
Great stuff!
After successful block of training AI FTP suggested 2,8% bump on FTP yesterday. I had scheduled FTP test today after SSBII MV. Got exactly the same result with the real life test.
This might have been my last FTP test.
No, it’s 12 workouts minimum before you get the option for detection. I was repying to a specific context in your first mention of me.
It looks back at the whloe history if you have more than 12 workouts total.
Please read the OP by Amber or the support doc for full nfo.
A word of caution for people who have tested within the last 14 days and are deleting their last FTP score to trigger the AI FTP Detection. I did that last night and it has tanked my PLs. I had recently gone from 159 to 165 and my PLs decreased accordingly. Last night I deleted the 165, looked at the AI FTP, then re-added the 165 and this morning my PLs had decreased even more. I’m down to 1.0 on everything except endurance. I did not accept adaptations so I’ll be ok, but now everything is a stretch workout. So be careful if you start messing with your FTP!