🎉 🎉 🎉 Introducing Adaptive Training! 🎉 🎉 🎉

[Cavasta]

@SeanHurley

whoops- I got lost in the chain of responding to responses

No worries. Amber’s replied with some info.

[mailman]

Is the Adaptive Training version of the app more hardware / computing (whatever the correct term is) heavy? And if so, is it possible to have the AT running your plans on one device, and will that reflect correctly as planned workouts change?

[timon]

@dendroica1

@Nate_Pearson I was wondering if the next step with Plan Builder would be giving way more options as to what levels there are. I think it would be awesome if you could tell Plan Builder, here are my events, I want to ride X number of days and Y number of hours per week, and it gives you the best plan for your schedule

I think this is key, and hopefully coming soon.

Being able to go into plan builder and say I have a race on X date and I generally have 1hr on Mondays, 2hrs on Tuesdays, 1hr weds, no time on Thursday, 1hr on Friday morning and 3hrs each on sat/sun… And you plug it in and it spits out a plan that then constantly adapts under those criteria. Current plan builder is close, but could be better with regards to time constraints/allotment.

[mcneese.chad]

Sounds like the real computing work takes place on the TR side with whatever systems they have. Our local apps seem to be essential the same demand, since they are simply pulling the information from the TR side.

So it will be the same info on all of your devices (assuming they are all up to date with the AT related views).

[timon]

@AdamJ

What would be AMAZING is if you could set the AI to “get me to 300w ftp in the next 3 months” and voila! Training plan

You guys think there’s negative feedback in the DJ thread now…just wait!

“AT said I’d be at a 269 watt ftp by July. I only skipped 30% of the workouts, slept 5hrs a night, did all my training fasted, supplemented with zwift races…and I’m only at 250 watts! I want my $75 back!”

[ambermalika]

Yes, you’ll have the same info available on mobile as on desktop, and all updates/adaptations will sync accordingly.

[mailman]

That makes sense.

I’ll have to update at some point to be able to run Group Workouts when that comes to mobile, but I’m excited to use AT as soon as possible .

[HansDampf]

With adaptive training, I will not only share my training data with Trainerroad, I will also label each of my workout activity to allow Trainerroad train their model. This data is invaluable. Services are usually free if I provide training data for Machinelearning. Are the subscription fees still reasonable?

[summerson]

@HansDampf

Services are usually free if I provide training data for Machinelearning.

You really think that’s true? Services are free when they use your data for multiple purposes (including sharing or selling with third parties, driving ads, and more)—not just because they’re using it to train a model that you will also benefit from. If you think the subscription fee isn’t reasonable, you can always leave TR and try your luck with Zwift’s “training plans.”

This “if you use my data I shouldn’t have to pay for your service” mindset is trash.

[Shoco]

This all sounds really cool, but if you’re someone like me who does a plan so I don’t have to think about what workout I’m going to do when I get on my trainer, someone who doesn’t analyse their workouts, someone that just let’s TR do all the thinking for me, will we notice any difference?

Also, I always do a low volume plan to leave time for fun rides, sometime I move my Saturday ride to a Sunday, will the the AT change that workout to allow for an extra days rest on the Saturday?

[HansDampf]

Who can guarantee that the data is not used for multiple purposes in the future? No one can tell now as to who might access the data (authorised or not) or how it will be used in future.

[jchappers]

Nice side step
Anyway you now seem to be questioning the adequacy of data protection legislation and privacy notices. Perhaps start a separate thread.

[Beire]

They mentioned in the podcast that they will apply the (strict) GDPR privacy rules globally.

[trpnhntr]

I think this is the answer to your question @Wirt

Adaptive Training and recovery weeks?

You’re exactly right. AT currently won’t dynamically change the periodization of your training plan, but it will make sure that the easy rides during your recovery week are more appropriately tuned to your endurance Progression Level. Another thing that can be easily overlooked is that even during tougher weeks in a training plan, Adaptive Training rarely recommends the hardest workout it can for you. Within every training week there are some easier and some tougher workouts, so many workouts A…

[Scheherazade]

Have you checked the Train Now thread? More of how it works is explained there. New Feature - TrainNow

[commanderobvious]

I’m hoping that is what AT will turn the TrainNow feature into. Right now, I have the same question. It offers 3 workouts of varying intensities regardless of the day or fatigue. Been checking since it came to the Beta to see how the workout suggestions compare to my plan, but it also leaves the rider to decide. I think that Nate had mentioned that the survey data is needed before it would start suggesting recovery weeks/days so this might be a future iteration.

[dubrose40]

Can’t wait to get this. Been with TR since 2018 and this is a game changer. Just started a new position within my company and it would be great to see how this adapts my training plan. --I’ll sit here and refresh my inbox till I get my notice @Nate_Pearson PAHLEEASE let me in

[Chester_Grimpeur]

Wouldn’t bother, the question of what the roll out is going to look like has been asked loads and not answered. So I don’t expect it to happen soon. The cynic in me thinks this was a bit of a stunt to hush the Dylan Thomas video.

Hey we’ve got this great thing coming but hey you can’t use it and we can’t even give you a potential timescale. Could be months. As it could drive new subscriptions I think it would be ethical to set some expectations.

[anon13702412]

@mcneese.chad

It will eventually work with the regular plan adding methods, but is only set for use with Plan Builder plan at the moment

You sure about that? That would be horrible. More wait time. Plan builder is for me as useful as a one-legged man in a ass-kicking contest.

[ssphillips]

That’s true no whether they are using it for machine learning or not. Totally different issue. Trying to tie it to the price is crazy. If anything they should charge more because of the extra cost and hassle of protecting your data appropriately.