🎉 🎉 🎉 Introducing Adaptive Training! 🎉 🎉 🎉

[Nate_Pearson]

@edistoed

Do API’s for Whoop and Oura exist that could give you access to data directly from those systems, similar to pulling from Strava?

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[Nate_Pearson]

@roadbiketrevor

VERY INTERESTING. The numbers below the workouts - +2.7 and +1.6 - is that relevant to one specific system?

Also is the “predicted FTP” visible to you?

Yes, this is per training zone.

FTP Prediction is not in early access yet.

[Snowflake69]

Machine learning & adaptive training is all so exciting.

Presumably we are moving towards being able to not only input an A event into our planner but also a target ‘ftp’ which, once the ML checks our planned training time etc tell us how achievable this is or if we need more training time or maybe we are 20 years too late

I am so excited to see where the TR team take this. Whatever happens I feel in safe hands knowing it’s a commitment to getting faster rather than a training methodology driving this

[Nate_Pearson]

@Captain_Doughnutman

Does TR (or any forum nerd) have the average overall IF for the current plans?

(edit: gonna throw @mcneese.chad in here just for attention…cuz I know he’s not busy atm… )

That’s not a good metric because of the workouts that have extended endurance at the end will change it.

Also as I said on the podcast, TSS (and thus IF) doesn’t match difficulty of a workout. 8x5 min at threshold would have the same IF as 1x40 min at threshold.

IF is just not granular enough for structured workouts.

[Nate_Pearson]

@roadbiketrevor

Just out of curiosity, how soon will beta users be able to see the “FTP prediction” that was discussed on the podcast?

When I get i to the beta I wanna know what my FTP could be

We’re still improving that model (and always will be). Right now it’s not available for beta users and I’m not sure if we’ve defined a metric for when we should release it to everyone.

[mcneese.chad]

Nate and crew working OT on the weekend.

Thanks for all the follow-up and info.

[Nate_Pearson]

@merlap83

Has it been announced when levels/workout filters will be available for everyone? Since I like to create my own workout plan more search filters, alternative workouts and rating/level of the workout is what interest me the most.

This will be released to everyone before AT is live for everyone (if that makes sense).

The team is doing stuff now to make this possible.

[denglish67]

Nate, that makes sense and can understand that you don’t want to reveal too much of your IP.

Really appreciate you taking the time to respond to my post. Made my day .

[Chester_Grimpeur]

@Nate_Pearson lot of questions on roll out for AT. Obviously appreciate you will roll out in stages and fix any bugs etc… But based on the beta list are people going to be waiting days, weeks, months,years?!

Like I say it’s a genuine question, would just be good to know your roadmap for rolling it out as I’m looking to start a new plan but if it’s days I’ll hold off. If it’s months I’ll start.

[Nate_Pearson]

@Captain_Doughnutman

Not bad for a dude who used to do ‘Saturday Night Fever’ style slot machine ads.

It was “Cougarlicious”.

[Nate_Pearson]

@Dick_Dylan

I also pause my workouts in between intervals but not for recovery. I do my workouts on rollers and have a hard time eating while riding. So, I’ll nail my interval then in between stop eat, drink and start again. I try to be as quick as possible. Will the ML think I’m struggling and then change my future workouts?

If you’re truly changing the purpose of the workout, then yes, it will mark it as a struggle.

If you’re taking a little extra time during a long recovery you should be fine.

But as I said above, your response will help train ML in the future. But your response will be human reviewed to make sure we agree. IE if you stop for a minute, every minute, in a 20 minute threshold set but say you “passed”, I think a TR employee with not agree with that and it wouldn’t be included in the training set.

[Nate_Pearson]

@Carlos_Vieira

On a VO2max actual workout with 120% intervals, can be effectively 112% for a particular individual at some point in time, but maybe on other time that exactly workout can be suggested with 117% intervals in the future for the same individual, right?

Correct.

@Carlos_Vieira

Also, how it handle fatigue management? Let’s say that an individual is on a 3rd week of a plan, and there some hard workout coming on that week. Based on the previous weeks workouts performances (and survey answers, how workouts run, HR figures, etc…), there could be signs that would make TR suggest a more “light” week to avoid later burnout in the future? Example: individual have today a threshold workout, but TR “thinks” he is tired, so recommend a swap of that workout and suggests a recovery or endurance workout (or simply skip that day)?

We need survey RPE data before we pop in these dynamic recovery weeks. Right now the model doesn’t know why someone chose to do different workouts on different days or why they stopped early.

With the survey results, we plan on doing what you have suggested above.

[AdamJ]

Sorry if I’ve missed this, but I usually train Monday Wednesday Friday, but quite often like this week, I left my Friday workout until Saturday. I assume the “skipped” Friday workout wouldn’t cause an issue once completed on the following day or two afterwards?

[mcneese.chad]

I’d suggest that you actually modify your calendar by dragging the planned WO from Fri to Sat. Makes sense to point AT in the direction that you aren’t ‘skipping’ but actually ‘tweaking’ your schedule intentionally.

[roadbiketrevor]

So my predicted FTP is 400 confirmed by @Nate_Pearson

[ColoradoJames]

Big kudos and respect to @Nate_Pearson and the entire TR team for their effort on this launch and engagement on the forum.

[roadbiketrevor]

uh @Nate_Pearson do you actually understand how cool this all is?

It’s very cool.

[AdamJ]

What would be AMAZING is if you could set the AI to “get me to 300w ftp in the next 3 months” and voila! Training plan

[mcneese.chad]

Judging by the smile and enthusiasm seen the the cast… I think he (and the entire TR crew) have a solid idea of Kewlness Factor.

[ColoradoJames]

I bet specific goal inputs will be a great/logical next step in the months to come. Things like a specifc FTP increase, developing a specific energy system, etc.