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The Feature Request we’re discussing is for mobile apps:

…because on mobile there is no typed input or other shortcut method, so you have to tap +/- once for each percentage increment/decrement, hence 240 taps per workout in my case. Hard to argue that this aspect of the UX doesn’t need improving…

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Signed up for Beta and on the waiting list. Since then every email notification I’m :grinning: with anticipation then :frowning: when I realize it’s NOT the TR invitation for ML training. The struggle is real. @Nate_Pearson have I mentioned how awesome you are and that the TR way is the only way.

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I kind of have the same question.

Is the ML going to recognize over-reaching and drop in a rest day @Nate_Pearson, or week?
Or is that a roadmap mile marker on the horizon?

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This cannot be done on mobile phones, unfortunately. We have to tap the button that much to get the increase we’re looking for. There is no way to edit the number directly.

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That is my concern too. Too much focused on individual workouts per athlete instead of looking into the big picture and understanding each athlete’s fatigue and what they should be doing every day (including rest) in order to achieve as best as possible their goals.

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I am SURE this was a #feature-request at some point, but it would be cool if the iOS app could default into a companion mode (if TR is already in an active session on a users account elsewhere) to control interval skips and levels would be great. I run TR from a laptop 99% of the time and while typically I just do the workout as prescribed, it would be nice to not have to dismount to change effort levels etc.

ALSO, to my thinking it could the give the ability to give a survey response after an interval or set of intervals; giving TR a more granular data set vis a vis intraworkout RPE etc.

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So I was thinking about a potential workaround for the outdoor ride issue for long z2 ā€˜unstructured’ rides until AT incorporates them. I think I’ve read most of the thread, but apologies if someone suggested this earlier.

Couldn’t you in theory just schedule an endurance ride from the library like Appalachian, Flattop, Highland, etc, that’s close to your time and intensity goals, then set it as an outside workout? AT would pick it up, you could rate your effort and so on?

It’s not perfect, but maybe it would work till an update.

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New to the Forum - apologies if this has been covered elsewhere… are all the ā€˜energy systems’ (the adaptive training zones) based off FTP alone?? Using other applications e.g. WKO5, my optimal VO2 zone is not simply 120% of FTP. Far from it. Once you get more intense than threshold (FTP) the variability between individuals increases dramatically. How can AT work effectively if all workouts are defined from just the FTP metric?

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I imagine this would work. It sounds like the ML will adapt using any TR workout regardless of indoor or outdoor completion, even if it wasn’t the one initially planned that day. Also, for plans with sweet spot on Sundays (generally MV and HV plans), the tips text for that week always has a Z2 or tempo alternative workout to use for that day. Swap that sucker in and pop it to an outdoor ride (I did this all the time last summer to enjoy my Sunday rides in the sun) and I would assume you should be golden.

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Based on what they said on the podcast, the FTP sets your baseline and based on your feedback to the post workout survey as well as the ML checking a bunch of features, it will recognize your performance and increase your VO2 interval intensity to match your progression while maintaining progression for all the other energy systems. So basically FTP is a starting point and it will learn from there. The ultimate goal being that you never have to test it again because the system will learn with each workout and just know what fits your current fitness level.

100%! This is my exact question also. I searched on the term ā€œWhoopā€ (tried searching ā€œdata setā€). The AT podcast kept talking about pulling in vast amounts of data, I kept asking myself, ā€œwhere is the data going to come from?ā€.

It won’t right now, but it sounds like something they might do in the future.

Just guessing here, but Amber made it sound like it will handle it fine. Worth doing it and seeing what happens. If it’s not the result you think is appropriate, just let them know so they can review it.

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Great questions, but I have no idea what if anything happens after that.

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I’m very excited about the adaptive training but I can’t use either the pre-built plans or the Plan Builder plans because I can’t find a way to choose how many times a week a work out. I’m signed up for an Ironman this summer and all the TrainerRoad plans seem to insist on three work outs a week in each discipline. I would love to work out more and have no doubt it would improve my performance but with my job and life I know I can do an hour workout on 4 weekdays a week and then longer workouts and two-a-days on weekends. It would be great if TrainerRoad would allow me to cancel workouts so that I could make a TR training plan.
If I keep making my own training plans and selecting my own TR workouts, would I still get recommendations for workouts and progression? I don’t want to miss out on the benefit other users are getting.
This sounds amazing! Great work TR team. I hope we can meet again in Kona.
No, I definitely didn’t qualify for Kona only working out 7 times a week. My father-in-law did. Also a TrainerRoad user.

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Thanks for replying. I get that the ML can recognise from your feedback that a workout was easy, but it then has to prescribe a workout from the TR library to maintain progressive adaptation. And those workouts are categorised according to FTP… So, even if it knows to increase the intensity to prescribe an effective VO2 workout, the correct workout may not be available because it doesn’t exist! i.e. my optimal VO2 zone maybe more than 150% of FTP and the TR workout library won’t contain any workouts that fit this description.

@SeanHurley - As one of the privileged few :wink:, can you shed any light on this?

When you select Other, you’ll get a text box to write in whatever you want. If none of the pre-set options apply to your case, you can add something else!

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Why can’t I register via the beta program? I’m already a TR subscriber. It feels strange that I have to register as an anonymous user by sending my email

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I asked that exact question and they said it would work. Any scheduled TR workout will be picked up by the system. :+1:

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