Is @mcneese.chad the only person posting here who is confirmed to actually HAVE the early access so far?
Would be eager to have others post if they get invite codes.
It sounds like that’s what the workout classifier addresses directly, if I understand Nate’s comments correctly in the podcast. It recognizes that IF and TSS aren’t the end-all-be-all of workout difficulty and classifies them even further. I assume this is based on user completion rates and a bunch of other “features” of which Nate said the ML evaluates more than 100 (all of which are proprietary).
I won’t name names, but there are several more that I know for sure are already added into the beta as of yesterday.
I’m still waiting to be added.
Fear not! Now you can simply say “I was feeding the algorithm with a failed workout … for science!”
It would be very cool for you to share your experiences. I’m extremely curious how “visible” this feature really is for most riders.
From what I’ve heard on the podcast and such, my suspicion is that it will probably be pretty invisible if you run plan builder and then hit your workouts at 100% without failing out/dropping difficulty/skipping or ramping up difficulty (assuming erg mode … if you’re not on erg mode and can blow past watt suggestions, that’s different).
However, I’d be very curious as you continue to use it, whether you find that it is actually “visible” pretty regularly.
Are they adding people on a daily or weekly basis?
If you get your Sweet Spot Progression Level above 10, you’ll start seeing these beauties. (These are Not Recommended for me because my Sweet Spot Progression Level is 6 right now)
Nate has stated previously that price structure would remain for those that have been loyal to TR over the years. It was this comment that contributed to the fact that many of us continued to pay for a subscription even when the service wasn’t being fully utilized AND we knew that TR was a passionate group making huge strides forward in training.
If you’re a paying subscriber you’re on the path to becoming a loyal member of the TR group… They’re only going to continue to make this product better.
After years of being here I have my excuses prepared for each training block! I like your approach much better. I don’t have to take any accountability for failing.
So no century ride as a sweet spot workout option? ![]()
Yeah, when I get caught up on some mod duties, I will try to share as much as I can.
The initial review, and first workout are a great window to the future and I’m optimistic of the direction. ![]()
One question if you know the answer Chad. If I were to plan and mark off a run as completed using a Tri plan, will it take the running TSS into account when prescribing the bike workout?
presumably on a “bug squashed” basis
Indeed @Skeptic, it is not only enough to be able to classify workouts into 4 or 5 categories (from achievable to breakthroughs etc) but also if I should be training at all today or if it is better that I rest.
But, you know, we are human beings evolution has made our brains such that we try to put some purpose behind everything in order to understand it. ML, and more precisely neural networks are notorious for their inability to explain what they are doing (unless explaining a gradient descent is an explanation). So, to wrap it up, I think that at some point AT might need to put some words into why they prescribe a specific workout (or rest day) and what the impact of doing this or that workout (or no workout today) will be in the near or not so near future. If the explanation is not in natural language at least it should be in terms of the fitness graph (or FTP prediction) that they have.
In any case I think that @Nate_Pearson and the whole team are in the right direction but in some years from now I am sure that people will be (mentally if not also physically) fatigued from following blind suggestions from a machine without getting the big picture in terms that they can understand as human beings.
You should post all the hard rides so people can try them out ![]()
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Guessing here, but I think the answer is ‘No’.
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AFAIK, the new AT tools are only looking at cycling activities. But Amber said that the cycling parts of your plan ARE included.
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It just doesn’t look at ANYTHING else right now (strength training, running, swimming, etc.). From comments by Nate, I think that is all planned, but will come over time, as they figure out each new piece of the puzzle.
Interesting to see that some workouts are above the ranking of 10!!! Where does the ranking stop?
Makes sense! Especially since the feature is so new. Excited for what ML will bring and it can only grow and improve from where it is now.

