@mcneese.chad
Do you know any detail about āsuperpassingā? I remember hearing something about it early on, so I started superstitiously juicing up my workouts to like 101-105% for the last interval or so. However I donāt actually know whether thatās taken into account meaningfully.
Do you know anything about this?
I know a bit. I had a workout I figured was a Super Pass, but got minimal changes in my PL. The discussion is WAY back in this thread.
We donāt really know specifically what it takes to hit a super pass. Could be anything, but I figured it would be 103% or more. Iād have to find my workout to see what I did, but I think I was quite a bit over 103% in my case for something like 4 of 5 intervals. I doubt that a single kick in only the last interval will lead to a SP if you did 80-90% of the work intervals at the regular 100%, but againā¦ we donāt have hard info yet. My gut says you probably need to be exceeding targets on 50% or more of the workout and by 103% or more for those (yet again, guessing).
Even when I had confirmed my SP, they said they werenāt really leveraging the delta between the target and actual workout to a point that they were giving ābonusā PL changes. I got the same PL change as the original workout, which was a bummer. Makes sense to a point, but I had a major difference that amounted to nearly a full PL step difference from the target and my actual.
Based on our discussion, they said they would review that practice and might make some changes. I donāt think I have seen anything concrete on any changes or specifics since then, so not sure what is in place at the moment.
Short of any pending changes, the recommendation I took from that experience was to plan on choosing an Alternate that is more aligned with what you want or expect for any given workout, if you want to get āfull creditā for the PL effort you put in. Better to just roll the workout as planned with minimal Workout Intensity adjustments, at least in this light.
Kinda stinks though, since they have repeated through the years, that we should use the WI adjustment to handle those days we are ripping or falling apart. There is a bit of a āpenaltyā to using it now with how AT seems to deal with those changes.
ETA: Here is the opening comment I had in my Super Pass experience, with lots of replies (including the comments I got from support).
Thanks! I wonāt waste my time kicking up to 102% any more and will instead focus on just sticking with the recommended programs.
Thanks @mcneese.chad !!
Where do I go to see the current status on what rides are included and not included in the model?
@Nate_Pearson It would be great if you could mark each ride as IN THE MODEL vs NOT IN THE MODEL along with, to prevent the constant questions, a short but differentiating reason why a particular ride is NOT IN THE MODEL (Outside rides for Wahoo are not supported, etc.).
Second-guessing your training plan has to be one of the most effective ways to derail it.
With the update last week, the only things currently not giving credit to PLs are outside rides that have not yet been associated with an outdoor workout. Wahoo and Garmin outdoor workouts seem to be properly providing credit now.
Holy moly, that is awesome.
Is it necessary to switch the TR workout to outdoor before associating it?
Oh, and still might be a good idea to have some indication since an extra step is required to bring a ride into the model.
Yes. Here is Ivyās post when the update went live last week for the details. She specifically mentions they have to be switched to outdoors before being associated. Happy riding!!
After playing around a bit, it seems that you cannot just schedule a TR outside workout in the past, associate it and have the outdoor ride be in the model? Perhaps only workouts that are part of a plan builder plan are eligible?
How far back are you trying to go on the calendar?
20 days. I didnāt consider that. Iāll try something closer.
Not sure itās connected, but you can only edit survey responses within 7 days, so this might be similar.
Correct. Ivyās post also notes this is not retroactive. It is only forward-looking. She references that only under the second point, but based on what Iāve seen with my account and levels I think it also applies to point 1.
I wonder if that means the TR outdoor workout has to be in place before you do the outdoor ride? 
That is probably safest, even if not fully intended to be so.
A user above said they associated one to a Zwift ride after the ride had completed, so it should still work. I assume youāll need to make sure the workout and the ride are similar enough for it to qualify. Youāll then have to answer the survey. Iāve only done this with workouts in my plan builder plan, so my experience with ad hoc isnāt as great and Iām not certain of the outcomes.
Question - are progression levels meant to RESET and/or REDUCE after you take a ramp test?
I completed my ramp test a few days ago (+8.8% woohoo for me!), and straight after I was shown a screen with my ānew progression levelsā (which looked very similar to my previous progression levels).
But then I noticed this morning that they had all gone backward again - this screen shot is this morning.
Did something go wrong? Which progression levels are right?
I felt the same, and gotta be honest I was pretty put off by the marketing around it - the big announcement, hype on the podcast about it for weeks upon weeks, nearly all of TRās branding changing to āAT - the right workout everytimeā - for a product that didnāt really even exist lol.
About the timing of the release, who knows (unless it was posted here or discussed, I donāt follow as close at the moment) - I doubt it was pushed early due to that person you mention. Nate has a great business mind, from the things he posts here, to talking to him interviewing - nothing but respect for what heās done and the decisions heās made.
Iāve built two successful SAAS businesses, and in my mind there is something positive to be said for ālaunching before youāre readyā, I donāt think thatās a mistake, I do think building the hype where some users feel let down leads to posts like yours. So, i feel you.
Like Chad said though, once you step back from all that and realize it really has been BETA since the releaseā¦ itās just worth waiting until thereās a reliable product. The plans still work 
Not in my experience. I do an outside ride, record it on Wahoo, upload it via Strava [breaking all the previously-suggested rules]. Then I check to see duration and IF and try to find a TR workout that approximately matches it. Schedule that workout for the day [outside version]. Then associate the outside ride with that workout.
Thatās right - the difficulty of the workouts is relative to your FTP isnāt it so it follows that if your FTP is increased, your PLs will reduce correspondingly. Seems counterintuitive but it makes sense - I had the reverse experience when I set mine down after I got in; my PLs increased a lot after I reduced my FTP. If you think it through, if I was recently completing e.g., Sweetspot 6.0 at my old FTP, and I drop my FTP by a few %, it stands to reason that I should now be able to complete harder sweetspot workouts than I could manage at my old FTP. Vice-versa for increases.
Otherwise youād go into your next block with a higher FTP AND workouts at your old PLs, which would be a recipe for failureā¦ e.g., a Sweetspot 6.0 workout today at my new 285 FTP is going to be a lot harder than the same workout yesterday at my old 275 FTP. My fitness hasnāt improved overnight - I have just changed an arbitrary setting in the software. Hopefully an illustrative exampleā¦
Yeah thanks man, that makes heaps of sense. I think the confusion for me was that immediately after I completed my FTP test and accepted the new (higher) FTP, it showed me my new progression levels (first pic above), which I think was actually an error. For some reason it took a few days for them to reset back to 1.0 across the board.
