Maybe I’m missing something, but what’s the point of trying to get AT to adapt your custom workout? Wouldn’t a custom one presumably already be tailored to you add not need to be adapted?
Despite that, completing custom workouts AFAIK will impact progression levels leading to adaptations of Plan Builder workouts. So while it may not get adapted, it would still be providing credit to your PLs.
Yep, I tagged the wrong user. Sorry!!
@BCrossen I’ve always customized my workouts since the first time I ever used TR. The customization is largely based on my experiences from the very first structured training plan I followed.
Gotcha. My understanding is that if AT were to adapt your custom workouts, it would likely serve you a TR workout using the warm-up and cooldown of the workout as well as the recovery valley power targets of that TR workout. It won’t actually adjust the targets of the custom workout itself, or at least that’s my understanding of it. Perhaps @IvyAudrain can provide any further details.
If what I said above is correct, then I wouldn’t worry about having them adapted in your use case. More important is having them change your Progression Levels based on your performance of those workouts. Also, for what it is worth, you can extend the warm-up and cool down of TR workouts now with the app and leave the rest of the workout in tact. Adjusting recovery valleys would require a more manual adjustment of the intensity slider, but can also be done without making a custom workout each time.
Woof. Have been away for an event week and AT has dropped my endurance significantly for some reason (6.5 down to 4.5). For comparison, I’ve not done VO2max in a month and that’s only dropped by a single point. Odd, because if anything Endurance would hang on the longest out of all the zones. I wonder if it had to do with taper week too? Other zones seem unchanged.
I guess not a big issue as I’ll be doing a recovery week and then a ramp test, but surprising all the same, especially as I was cycling over multiple days so it’s not like I’ve been doing nothing.
If I plan to skip my Monday Ramp Test and sub another workout, it would seem that the easiest way to do so would be to use TrainNow, pick a workout and reflect the Ramp Test as skipped. Normally, I’d choose an alternate but the alternates for a Ramp Test are other Ramp Tests.
Thanks for any advice. Sorry if I missed this somewhere in the FAQ or 3,500+ posts. Cheers!
I would just delete the ramp test if you don’t do it. What I do when picking an alternative on a ramp test day is to see what kind of system the Monday workout normally targets and pick an appropriate one.
Cool. Thanks. Sounds like same as it was on Plan Builder previously.
Cheers!
Sorry if this has been answered… 3500+ posts!! I just got accepted into the beta and I haven’t been reading each post the last several months.
Anyway, I train on my road bike with power but I do a lot of rides on my mountain bike without power data as well. Occasionally I do a workout on my mountain bike and I just go by “feel” or RPE for the intervals. Should I handle these workouts any special way for ADP to work best?
Another “sorry if this has been asked before”
If I need to swap a workout from say a Tuesday to a Wednesday. What’s the best way to go about it? Drag and drop it to the following day? Ignore it, leave the calendar as it is and just do the workout on the following day? Or another way? What’s best for AT or does it not matter?
What would happen if I deleted it and scheduled a completely different one in on a different day? Will this screw the whole plan/AT up etc.
Cheers in advance!
I’m in the beta. Last week I did a ramp test on Tuesday, and then completed and passed a plan prescribed Threshold 3.8 workout on Wednesday. Which increased my Threshold level to 3.8. I gave it a 4/5 in the survey.
This Wednesday I have another Threshold workout on the calendar and it’s still prescribing Kennedy -2, Achievable • Threshold 2.9. Shouldn’t I have expected to see an adaptation changing this to a higher level workout now?
I did my century ride yesterday, but I had also scheduled a 5hr endurance workout that I was going to run while I did the century. I decided not to because I also doing navigation and I didn’t want to make things complicated. Anyhow, the ride did end up getting associated with the workout, which I found interesting. Unfortunately, my endurance progression level is still at 4.1 even though I did like a level 10 workout lol
Not necessarily. Depending on where you are in your plan, it may have you in a maintenance mode for that zone, so achievable and productive workouts would be prescribed instead. This is the case for me in specialty where I only have achievable and productive workouts and there are no more stretches, which I believe is to keep me fresher for racing and sharpening. There are often very few stretch workouts in a week and fewer breakthroughs throughout an entire plan.
FWIW, it is Sustained Power Build LV. So I’d expect increasing Threshold to be a primary goal.
Perhaps it wants to keep it smoother in progression for you so you’re not burned out by the end of the block (assuming you’re toward the start and not the end of a block). The other option is that LV is likely only giving you one workout as productive or stretch each week due to the limitations on workouts per week. If that’s the case, it likely places a higher value on progressing you through over-unders. So I’m thinking it’s keeping your threshold workouts maintained so you can nail the over-under workout at 100% compliance, because it thinks this will progress you more. in other words, it is trying to save your legs for that one workout.
i look forward to unstructured rides being even loosely factored in to AT. i did a 7.5hr endurance ride at the weekend outdoors (with a PM), and wish it could be taken account of in some way.
Happy to clarify, AT will adapt as a result of custom workouts as well as TrainerRoad workouts, as all custom workouts are associated with their appropriate Progression Levels. Its not adjusting your custom workout or creating new custom workouts as a result of that, just identifying what ‘work’ you did and in what way through that custom workout, and potentially making adaptations in your future workouts to fill deficits or step off (depending upon your goals/plan/levels). 
@IvyAudrain, I think in beta we’re still in the world where there are differences between what happens in different scenarios. Seems we have six categories of workouts on 2 different dimensions in our world – workout source, and how it’s ridden. Being a bear of very little brain (AKA Winnie-the-Pooh) I’m easily perplexed. I Just sketched out this grid to help me think through that.
If this represents today’s reality would you and your TR colleagues be very clear to which of these scenarios your comments apply? Thanks!
Edit, ah, forgot the Garmin/non-Garmin issue too. Probably means three location columns: Indoor on app, Outdoor on Garmin, Outdoor on non-Garmin. Nine-cell grid, yes?
I think your grid doesn’t show what is really happening, as you there are two higher levels:
For example for #1:
For #2: currently AT only adapts workouts that are part of a Plan Builder plan on your calendar. How / where you complete the workout (e.g., indoor or outdoor) is a secondary issue to whether prior to your doing the workout, AT will suggest adaptations. Once you complete the workout, you are in use case 1
Good comments. Chad was working in parallel in the beta thread.
However we end up, having this kind of view into the different dimensions and being able to clearly label what a particular comment refers to would be extremely helpful as there are so many moving parts.
