It doesn’t look like you’re on the newest release for iOS yet, for the rest of those inquires though, please touch base with support@trainerroad.com so they can take a look! Apologies for the confusion.
Updated the iPad IOS and managed to get my training plan back…the initial one at least, but if I want to change the speciality then it shows me black screen and there is only option to update but no option to choose the new speciality to update to.
OK UPDATE.
Managed to get the plan back on when I log in through Chrome window, also I can see the update possibility but when I click for the update instead of speciality there is a build phase now 
Well… that was disappointing 
Just took my ramp test after completing SS Base 1 using Adaptive Training and my FTP went down -3.
I am surprised in that I completed all workouts well, took each recommendation, and did the best I could on the day - but the results speak for themselves.
Other than wanting everyone to sympathize with me 
, I do think one of the promises of AT is that it should be able to tell me based on my workouts to date - did I perform as expected or was it just a bad day? I know that this was talked about somewhat in the initial announcement, but it isn’t something that I see in the current beta.
Any thoughts on when the “projected FTP capability” is planned? I am willing to have my record be a guinea pig if anyone in dev wants to look at it and see if my performance was in line with expectation or I just didn’t perform on the day.
Any one else had this experience?
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- What method or symbol are you expecting for this validation?
Essentially, if you see a “Successful” at the end of your workout, in the workout summary data, that is “good”. Your deeper performance beyond that simple summary, combined with your subjective response to the survey about the workout (Easy, Moderate, Hard, Very Hard, All Out) play into the progression that is given to your associated level. If you do well and answer on the easy end, I suspect the progression level change is large. The closer you get to Hard or All Out, I expect less change in progression level (little to no increase).
If you perform “badly”, you will get a “Struggle” survey instead. And depending on those factors above, you may see no change to your progression level, or they may even drop if something is off enough that AT thinks you need a reduction.
Have you seen those signals and considered them like this?
Ftp -3 of what? Progression level, watts, percentage? 3W and 3% ia basically daily variation and less than measurment error in most power devices.
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I see that on normal workouts, but I don’t see that on the ramp test. Should I?
No, a Ramp Test or any other FTP test is not related to any of this. There is no good/bad. You get what you get from tests.
What I showed is about Workouts only, not tests.
Fair enough. But it still basically says that I had no increase in FTP between my ramp test at the start of AT and the one today after competing SS Base 1 on AT.
Yeah, and that is only one data point in judging real fitness. It would be great if FTP always increased, even small amounts, but that is not always possible or what happens.
Keep in mind the broader picture because your fitness is about more than just FTP. The primary purpose for FTP here is setting training levels. It’s entirely possible you are gaining in areas other than at your FTP. If that is true, your fitness is improving, even if your FTP is stable.
Point being that you should look at more than FPT to judge your progress.
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Thanks, and I get that. My question is that AT in theory should be “projecting” an FTP based on workout performance to date; the test is an actual value. I am thinking AT should be able to say was your actual what the system is predicting.
If you have tested by the ramp test, and it is a MAP test that relies on vo2 more than anything else - not surprised. Not to mention that not every block leads to gains - it all depends on many factors (volume, training history etc.). Ss base 1 is a foundation to your training, not the phase that leads to gains.
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They have talked about the FTP projection at times, but I have no indication that they are actually using that data at the moment. Like many things, that may be something planned but not implemented yet.
Based upon the new release, it sounds like they are looking at many things, and FTP is only one of those values.
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Thanks Chad. It is always good to be reminded of the bigger picture when I get a disappointing result.
I think my question has some practical applications however. Looking at the adaptations after the test, the system did set my progressions lower - in a couple of cases more than a point. This means that if it was just a bad day, I have a week or 2 of completing workouts that should be pretty doable to have AT recommend workouts that are truly progressive.
Of course, if I did lose fitness, then the system did it’s job, and I just have to figure out why I lost fitness
It’s entirely possible that you improved in power output at other areas of your power curve (short or long). If you did the ramp test, is biased towards short term power and doesn’t do a good job showing improvements in how long you can maintain FTP. Few people can maintain FTP for exactly 60 minutes, for most is in the 40-70 minute range. A ramp test won’t show that.
Look at how your progression levels changed from start of your plan to now (I assume AT can slow this). You could see progress
Yes, @huges84, but that is part of my point. My progressions had gone very well, but after the ramp test they have decreased quite a bit.
I think you are relying a bit too much on “expectations”. What matters is what you did in the test, and if you really think you gave it a full pull, or came up short for any reason.
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If you put it all out, take it and continue training. Let AT do it’s job to finesse the plan moving forward.
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If you really feel like the test is not representative of what you can do, either retest or manually adjust your FTP.
Even if there are “expectations”, what are you going to do if you “match them” or if you “fall short”? I’m questioning the actionability of that info.
I have no problem if TR eventually adds it, but I don’t think you need to sweat it right now. You either got an appropriate test or you didn’t. Steps are above, depending on what you know about yourself after the test.
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Thanks @jarsson, great point!
However, with it setting my Threshold, SS, and endurance progressions lower. I am given the choice of accepting (in case it is indicative of my current fitness) and building the progressions back up over the next couple of weeks, or ignoring, which is what i have been trying not to do during the beta .
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@mcneese.chad Great advice, Thanks!!
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Yeah, I had a similar problem - a tiny increase in ramp test FTP => massive reduction in progression levels. I spent last week ignoring all the adaptations and hand selecting workouts that more or less matched my levels before the ramp test so that I could get them all back to where they should have been in the first place. TR support said this is “expected behavior, but we’re working on improving it”.
I ranked 3 of those workouts “Moderate” and one “Hard”. I have no idea how many weeks it would have taken to build my progression levels back up if I had just let AT do its thing (I haven’t seen the “superpass” effect so far).
I still think AT has a lot of potential, but it seems like it still needs a bit of human supervision at the moment…
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