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Did the post workout survey change or is this a bug? Speaking as a behavioral scientist, I tend to think this is not a good way to collect reliable behavioral ratings. Better to just give people qualifying text if you want to better anchor their responses:

That order certainly looks messy, and I can’t imagine it is intended.

That’s a bug. We had another athlete report that yesterday so I believe it’s on the radar.

Tongue-in-cheek noted, but this is a hugely incorrect assumption. I’ve never followed a template plan without asking questions and/or modifying it to suit my situation. I would be surprised if I was unusual in that aspect.

On the topic of survey responses recently, I rediscovered the below from Nate shortly after the AT announcement podcast. Hopefully this helps to clear the air on the intentionality of the survey and how to respond.

In short, just say what you feel. Simple as that. Don’t think about how it’s supposed to feel. Think about how you actually feel for that workout and don’t get bogged down by it being ā€œwrongā€. If you’re earnest and honest, you simply cannot be wrong.

I don’t know if this is a new AT feature or just something I have never noticed, but can someone tell me what the significance is of the cup in the upper left had side of some workouts. I’m assuming it means I achieved something, but what? I cannot find anything when I go into the workout.

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You’ve achieved a power PR, either for all time or for your current season. Congrats! But it’s a long-standing feature, nothing to do with AT. If you click into the workout and view the power profile you should be able to see which duration(s) you’ve achieved PRs for.

This morning I did Pennell - part of my plan, and added some endurance work to the end, the workout looked like this

I rated this as a 3 - the endurance seemed easy, but the intervals themselves were roughly appropriately challenging

This gave me the following changes to my progression levels

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However, on my Career page, my PLs show as

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I guess I’m a little confused by two things

First - Why is my endurance being moved down so significantly by completing this workout?
Second - Why is my endurance showing as reduced to 1.7, but on the career still shows as 4.1? Do secondary adaptations not change the actual value?

The other open question I have is - I’ve still not seen any adaptations to my plan based on workouts - this is a little surprising to me, but I guess since I rated it as a 3 it isn’t shocking

I don’t think your endurance is being reduced, I just think the endurance you did on that workout was equivalent to a 1.7 level

edit: I may be wrong, let me check my own stuff

Wow, this is almost exactly my experience this morning (and I submitted everything to support@trainerroad.com):

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If it’s not changing, it definitely shouldn’t be displaying like that. Would be quite alarming for most people!

@ellotheth - Good to see it’s not just me that does that at the end of those. I wonder if by going so much higher I’m breaking the intent of the section though. :man_shrugging:

Extending the cooldown to add Z2 is something the TR folks have recommended and done themselves for years, so I would expect AT to handle it properly? But yeah, definitely all guesswork at this point, and if it doesn’t, then that’s what betas are for! :grimacing:

I gotta search back, but they answered that question long ago.

IiRC, they ignore warmup and cool downs, even if you extend them. So stretching them may have no impact on AT.

I will update with a link, or maybe someone else has a bookmark for this issue.

I don’t have any links but that’s my understanding as well.

Found this one, but it doesn’t talk about ignoring the extended times:

[e] AH HA

[e][e] I know they’re working on one but I’m seriously about thisclose to making my own FAQ :laughing:

For what it’s worth, I was talking about long sections that are included in the original workout, rather than extended cooldown.

Like these:

Miller Peak

Baird +6

Edit - Wow… whilst looking into those I noticed that I’ve done over 1,000 Trainer Road sessions. Well over a month sat on my trainer (and that’s just doing TR!). Scary.

I put together a quick video with a fast week by week look at how my version of SSB1 HV on adaptive training compared to the SSB1 that is currently available to all. As always, appreciate any likes to help boost the visibility of the video, I get a lot of looky-loos and not a lot of feedback lol (to be fair, these aren’t super exciting, but as far as I’m aware no one else is really putting out this info)

Feedback - your commentary had too much TR lingo for example week 1 weekend level 5 and 6. Watched on my phone and my impression is off-the-shelf vs adaptive SSB1-HV was basically same-same for you.

Appreciate it, although I guess my implicit expectation is that folks coming across my video would have watched the TR stuff for a full explainer, so I guess I didn’t necessarily see myself doing an explaining the basics of levels and what not.

Guess I was expecting something like this:

  • based on previous experience doing SSB1-HV, I wasn’t expecting an FTP increase and instead I believe the focus is on improving muscular/strength endurance
  • started SSB-1 HV with these Progression levels (screenshot) and now at end of week 5 my Progression levels are (screenshot)
  • lets briefly look at week by week
  • Adaptive Training made minor reductions to off-the-shelf workouts, leading me to conclude is that my incoming fitness was well matched to stock plan
  • One impact of the minor reductions was that weekly TSS was reduced by 5% over the 5 weeks of loading
  • even though I don’t perceive any fitness changes, will do a ramp test to help adaptive training as outlined in ā€œKeeping Pace With Your Fitnessā€ section of this blog post
  • commentary about Progression level changes

Hope that helps.