There is the option to move weeks of your plan (which will then move subsequent weeks as well). On you calendar look at the end of the week were the hour and TSS totals are. There should be three dots. If you click that on the week you want to move, you can move it forward, and all weeks after will be pushed as well. It will alert you that it will break Plan Builder if you do this though. Ideally, this is something they could adjust with PB in the future so it doesnāt break.
Also, the training load/TSS thing is something Nate mentioned in the first podcast. Internally, TR had people performing less TSS than they normally would because of AT, and they still saw progression and gains. He said they all really struggled with it because it goes against all conventional wisdom we know and use right now. So to your point about maintaining that TSS progression, itās not as important as you might think.
I just did a new ramp test and all the progression levels reset after, is that right? And then no adaptions to further workouts based off the ramp test results.
Have a look at the link in the below post to see if your issue is on the list of known issues. If it isnāt on there or is an issue listed as resolved, definitely email support@trainerroad.com to give them the low down.
I passed this on to Support as well as a feedback data point for them, but figured Iād post it here too. I manually bumped my FTP down a few notches today and I was curious to see what would happen to my Progression Levels. I heard/saw on the forum that there was a bug that reset everything to 4.0 that had been fixed, but Iām pretty disappointed with the results on my changeāit truly doesnāt make any sense. Somehow my Endurance got slashed by 3 points (which is the strongest right now deep into base building), my Sweet Spot went up 1.1 and my Threshold went up 1.5ā¦ It seems completely random (and therefore pretty useless). Note that some of the levels probably werenāt super accurate to begin with based on my last FTP setting change a couple months ago also causing the algorithm to forget all the useful workout data that came before the change.
ETA: I havenāt done any workouts since the FTP changeāthese were the settings immediately before/after the change.
I think thatās my main issue with āletting Adaptive Training take controlā. I canāt / wont whilst itās clear that many of the decisions itās making make no sense whatsoever.
Iām hoping itāll eventually sort itself out, but in the mean time Iāll be second guessing everything.
As the system gets more complex, nobody will understand why itās making the decisions it does. It will be connecting disparate correlations across millions of workouts and rides, things a human being cannot fathom. In that sense, youāll always be second guessing and questioning it. We simply wonāt understand what it does most of the time, and thatās why it will require a degree of trust imo.
Welcome to beta testing an applicationā¦thereās a reason it isnāt released in Production - you and the other people in the beta are dealing with these things so they can resolve them before an actual releaseā¦
That just seems like a mess to me on a logical sense of such a minor change in FTP. I reviewed the proposed adaptations and accepted them, but they seem like a huge mistake to me. They appear to be far easier than I expect I can complete, especially when reviewing what I accomplished in the first half of this Build phase.
I am planning to manually replace the workouts for this week with more demanding ones. I will consider what AT applied, but likely push further and closer to what I had done in the prior half of this phase, while considering the slight FTP increase too.
So, it seems this Progression Level issue is likely far reaching, and what I consider to be really problematic. To be honest, it is actually de-motivating to see such a decrease in the numbers, even though I know itās most likely a bug. Counter-intuitive, but Iād expect a more positive experience upon completing a ramp test, especially with a reasonable increase.
Itās part of the beta testing process, but a bit annoying since it worked pretty well when I originally got in. Something new is broken and requiring more manual intervention unfortunately.
First, thanks for adding the āOutcomeā column to the info below. It is a nice to see this in the summary. But it highlights a a prior issue that I believe is already a known bug.
I am 100% certain I filled out a survey response when I completed Carter last night, but it is showing as āMissing Responseā today. This has happened several times for me lately (despite always completing the survey in the TR Win app), so there is still a bug there.
Additionally, note that the Ramp Test also shows āMissing Responseā. This is a problem and confusing, since there is no survey offered upon completion of the test. This should be listed as some sort of exception āNot Applicableā or other term that indicates there is no survey offered or required.
This problem is also shown on the completed test page:
Firstly congrats on the FTP increase. Always good news.
I think AT has a built in rule that states that after a change of FTP, whether up or down, adjust levels downwards. That makes sense as either you did well and the new levels will make your workouts harder anyway. If you went down then clearly the workouts need to be easier.
Given what you have been given now I would retain them and do the recommended workouts and see how quickly they jump back up again.
I think this a bit like training plans, you have to trust the process.
Anyway thanks for taking the pain for us not yet on the beta.
Yup. I understand and agree on the general direction of a downward adjustment.
My current issue is the severity of the change.
My Endurance was cut nearly in half and VO2 Max & Threshold far more than that. Everything else cut back to 1.0 from different points.
I just donāt see any rhyme or reason to the amount of change, especially when considering the FTP change was a mere 2% delta.
Nonsense reductions in my eyes, when considering the small change in FTP. If this is intended behavior, it better come with some explanation, because I canāt see any reason for the amount changes applied.
I am considering this, but admittedly hesitant. Pending races and such are leading me to question a progression that is far slower than I think it should be.
Essentially, I donāt want to penalize my actual progression from what may well be bad programming via the beta. I am fine with the process and helping out, but I donāt want to sacrifice my training as a result.
Maybe my priorities are off, but I have actual goal events outside of helping TR, and I am seriously concerned by what I see right now, and the limited info I have on whether this is āright or wrongā.
Yeah, but before getting into AT, I spent the last two years modifying the default plans to suit my actual abilities. I changed the work and recovery week layout to allow me to complete the prescribed workouts the majority of the time. A necessary change since at 45yo when I started that experiment (and 47 now), the default plans force me to failure without my mods.
I got a good taste of how positive AT can be with my first 3-4 weeks using it a while ago. These did make sense and I followed them with good results. But recent changes seem to have put the process steps backwards and the new changes and suggested adaptations no longer make sense. So itās hard to follow āa leaderā that I now think is lost and aimless.
Not sure if this is normal behaviour or a bug. My VO2 level was 1.1 as I had been doing SSB and my efforts over threshold had been on Zwift or outside.
Despite this my first VO2 workout set in my plan was an 8.1 and the system even said āNot recommendedā!
So I failed the workout today but completed a good proportion of it at full power or between 5-10% lower. Despite this the system has given me no increase in level, I assume because I failed. So I am still at a 1.1 level despite completing half of a 8.1 level workout!
Welcome to beta testing an applicationā¦thereās a reason it isnāt released in Production - you and the other people in the beta are dealing with these things so they can resolve them before an actual releaseā¦
Didnāt say I had a problem with it, just that until it starts making sense then I wont be trusting it.
