Honestly - i think all of them will be above 5w/kg with very few being below 6w/kg. For men anyway.
Im gonna guess you donāt have kids or own a home. Iām certainly a low volume athlete and Iād be stoked to hit 4w/kg. I also donāt think most people I ride with would consider me slow or not fit on the bike.
Iām lucky if I can get 5-6 hours on the bike during the week. Usually closer to 4. This is with waking up between 4 and 5 am to get rides in before having to go to work.
I know Iām never going to be elite or a pro, but I want to push myself as much as I can
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Aeroskiii is pushing up against a Pro level w/kg. Itās just a completely different use case.
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He is actually upper part of pro level. Thatās why it would be interesting to know how many he thought actually were above 5W/Kg. People that are really good at something tend to overestimate the level of the rest of us.
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What a ridiculous statement. Thereās many people that just canāt achieve 5 W/kg due to genetics.
Also, organized training isnāt only for people trying to be pros. Itās for anyone that wants to be efficient with their training. Many people just want to be fit enough to keep up on the group ride, set a PR, or just not get slower as they get older. There is purpose in all of that, even if youāre too naive to see it.
Plus you know most of us are 28+ years old adults that have families and careers and other responsibilities that come before cycling. We canāt ride as much as we want and have to fit in what we can. Should we be banned from structured training?
Open your mind to the FACT that other people have different priorities and situations than you. Thatās an important life lesson.
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Marcel Kittel was barely over 5w/kgā¦.
5+w/kg is only possible for a tiny percentage of the population regardless of training volume.
6 or more is winning the genetic lottery and is a fraction of a fraction of a percentage.
Sitting here saying people donāt take the sport seriously if they are below 5 is just ignorant or deliberately cruel.
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Marcel Kittel released his power data to some researchers that published an article going through the power demands for his most successful Tour de France years.
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Letās not be too quick to say @Aeroskiii has pro fitness. I want to see a power duration curve.
For all we know heās using a ramp test or other method to estimate FTP that over shoots if someone has high anaerobic capacity. Besides, in races itās not about what power you can do fresh itās what can you do in key moments when fatigued 2-3 hours in.
And letās not ignore equipment choices, technique, team work and strategy. Considering their demonstrated lack of empathy and critical thinking, Iām guessing they are lacking in a few of those areas.
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Letās not have a pile on 
I think empathy can go both ways.
I can imagine being in their shoes doing 30hrs a week and 3.5hrs a week would sure feel like nothing.
Itās good to have the views of 6w/kg athletes on here but LV plans 100% have a place and itās wrong to say they donāt.
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50 percentile is 5.2 for 60m power and 6.0 for 20m.
Bottom 10 percentile is 4.7 for 60m and 5.5 for 20m.
Top 10 percentile is 5.8 for 60m and 6.6 for 20m.
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This surprises me? Is this all pro cyclists? For road I would have though those pushing over 5.8 would be far higher.
Yeah, thatās more in line with what I have seen when real data actually is collected. And itās quite far from what some people in this thread believe.
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Power output data registered from 4 professional teams during 8 years (N = 144 cyclists, 129,262 files, and 1062 total seasons [7 (5) per cyclist] corresponding to both training and competition sessions) were analyzed. Cyclists were categorized as ProTeam (n = 46) or WorldTour (n = 98) and as all-rounders (n = 65), time trialists (n = 11), climbers (n = 50), sprinters (n = 11), or general classification contenders (n = 7).
Itās a pretty interesting look at a reasonably large data set.
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408w for 20 minutes at 66Kg using a quarq transmission power meter. Tested a couple months ago during the offseason. Just spam long threshold sessions like 7x10, high intensity Vo2 6x3, and long z2 rides and the threshold will climb.
Very little maybe 5 percent of serious male cyclists
I asked for a power duration curve. Like below. Strava, TP, Intervals will all show you yours.
Very few people are referring to 20 minute power when they are talking W/kg especially if they arenāt mentioning that itās 20 minute (or a duration at all). If you donāt mention duration the assumption is that you mean 60 minutes or FTP.
And no, you canāt just take 95% of 20 min power and call it FTP.
If we use these numbers and use 60 min power as FTP (a fairly decent estimate), then their FTP is only 86% of their 20 minute power.
If you happen to have high anaerobic capacity then your percentage could be even lower.
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Iāve pushed 15 hour weeks when I had school from 8:30-3:30 and work from 3:45-5:30, I think most can do a lot more training then they believe in their schedule or can free up some time.
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Whatās the point of ftp? Do you want something thatās even more prone to variability like a lactate performance curve an my power at LT2? 20 minute power is highly reflective of the overall aerobic strength.
the power curve is only useful for the points that you have tested ie 5 minute power from the curve is only useful if you have tested 5 minute power. I only test 20 minute power somewhat regularly.
Those statements donāt match. 20 minutes isnāt threshold, not by a long shot.
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