If I successfully "cheat" on a workout .... what is my RPE?

Yeah, I can understand that. I’ll share your feedback with the team.

I’d recommend batching the options together if you’re unsure.

Nutrition, Sleep, Sick, Injured, and Stress/Motivation should fall into one bucket. You’ll likely know if you’re sick, injured, or particularly stressed out/feeling unmotivated. If you had a particularly bad night’s sleep, that could contribute to poor performance as well, and the same goes if you know you missed some nutrition throughout the day and felt a bit flat/empty because of it.

The second bucket might be a bit tougher to narrow down for some. Intensity and Training Fatigue can sometimes feel similar. For me, the delineation is based on how I felt going into the workout. If I felt strong and the workout just killed me, then I’d say intensity was the reason. If, however, I’d been feeling more tired, sore, and weak from a long week/month of training (maybe I’m almost due for a rest week), then training fatigue is likely the reason for my poor performance.

I think getting your answer into the right bucket is a good first step, then getting more specific helps if you can.

Let me know if this helps!

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The workout was Thomas

Thanks for all the replies, really informative.

I think on workouts where I reduce the intensity by small amounts and TR marks the workout as successfully completed I will continue to give my survey response RPE as though I haven’t tweaked my intensity.

Looking back on the last few months this approach has given me good progressive increase in workout intensity. FYI , I’m using the Short Power Build - Low volume plan which is giving me a steady increase in FTP despite my age (I am 60 in January).

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3.5 hours a week why even care :broken_heart:

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You can make a lot of progress on 3.5 hrs a week

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Absolutely!

That’s one medium duration endurance ride. Has anyone actually gotten any decent fitness ie above 4.5wkg? Volume is so key

Not unfathomable…. but also many people’s aspirations are more modest :grin:

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lol. Really? 4.5w/kg is far above “decent” fitness. Like come on.

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How many hours a week would you suggest?

Jeezuz - I hope below 4.5w/kg can be “decent” fitness for us mere mortals.

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I mean… it depends. Compared to doing nothing, absolutely. But if you are young and trying to be elite… not so much.

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If you take the sport seriously and train well (given you have decent genes and circumstances) 5W/Kg should be a given.

10h+ a week. The whole low volume thing is such cope, it doesn’t take a scientist to realize that if you have more training volume you will have a stronger stimulus and from that receive a stronger adaptation. This week for me is probs gonna be around 30 hours which is for sure on the high side, screenshot is from Wednesday. Threshold is about 6W/Kg and volume is on the high side but if you do the sport and care about it enough to post about it asking for help then why not at least do the first principles.

I fundamentally disagree with your point of view here.

I agree with you that you can only use intensity as a substitution for volume for so long - and a plateau will obviously be reached much much earlier on a LV plan.

However, some people only have enough time for a low volume plan and I fully stand by my point that decent progress can be made on a LV plan.

It’s totally believable that someone could go from 3w/kg to 4w/kg on a LV plan for example - I’d call that decent progress.

Loads of people on here are happy to get to where they can be based on the genetics they were given, the time they have to train, and how much they are willing to sacrifice everything else in their life…. you seem to think there is only any point training at all if you are planning to get above 4.5w/kg? I think that’s wrong.

LV plans definitely are not a waste of time.

Even for these people when they are just starting out :backhand_index_pointing_up:

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Who only has 3.5 hours of free time a week? Make the time

And if they don’t want to make the time? Don’t bother?

We are probably arguing different points here.

You make a very valid point that 10+ hours per week is what people taking the sport seriously should aim for :+1:

I’m just saying that there are plenty of people who find real value in the LV plans and the gains in fitness that can be achieved.

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How many %, for pro riders and serious amateurs, do you believe are above 5W/Kg?

Good amateurs 4w/kg+

Successful amateurs 5w/kg+

Pro 6w/kg+

I made that up in my head then I checked the infamous coggan chart and it seems he roughly agrees….

As for percentages….

EDIT: I cant remember what this topic was originally about at this point :joy:

You know the data from TR/Nate contradicts your suggestions right?

For Pros then? What % above 5W/Kg?