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That’s not the official RPE guide.

We only recommend the official one in our Post-Workout Surveys Help Center article linked below.

This is what’s confusing. :grinning_face:

I agree. :melting_face:

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The official and unofficial charts are very similar though aren’t they?

I think i’d answer the same way using either :thinking:

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In this example, what is a set and what is a single?

This is the one case where things get a little confusing.

The highlighted section in the image you shared is technically one interval, but that’s still what we’re referencing when we ask if you could have done another interval or set of intervals.

We’re never asking if you could redo the entire workout.

Does that help?

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To me except for the first picture all other pictures show a single interval (doesn’t matter if constant or mixed or hard start or Over/Under or on/off…) and a set of intervals is 2 or more of those. I’m sure that’s what the RPE survey should mean…otherwise makes no sense.

I would never ever call a single Over portion an “interval”.

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In the case where “one interval” = “one set of intervals” (e.g. Einsenhower -1), how should we decide between “Moderate” and “Hard”?

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Is there a meaningful difference between the two?

Is it possible to update the official knowledge base article to have the zwift RPE scores mapped to what they map to in TR - ie 1-3 in Zwift = 1 in TR? That was causing confusion earlier this month.

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It would also be nice if the survey levels was at the top of the article so you don’t have to scroll through all of the “fail survey” stuff to get to it.

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It does yeah, thanks @Eddie. I do think the verbiage used could be cleared up in the guide, but I’ve been rating like this the whole time so maybe it’s clear enough. It was the conversation above that confused me a little more than I thought I was lol.

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Did the effort feel moderate or hard?

Could you have confidently done another interval, or would it have been really hard?

Here are the official descriptions for reference:

  1. Easy
    This ride felt easy and non-taxing, requiring little effort or focus. You could repeat the ride and pass it without issue.

  2. Moderate
    This ride was somewhat comfortable but required some focus to complete. You felt a little challenged but had confidence that you could finish. If the ride had an additional set of intervals, you could complete it.

  3. Hard
    This ride required effort and focus and was challenging to complete. It felt tough, and you looked forward to the ride ending. If there were an additional set of intervals, you could have done it with significant focus.

  4. Very Hard
    This ride was very difficult to complete, and it tested you. If there were one more set of intervals, you wouldn’t have been able to complete it.

  5. Maximum Effort
    This ride was extremely difficult. It pushed you well beyond your abilities and took a massive amount of energy and focus to complete. You’ll feel like you barely made it to the end of this ride, and that you had to pull out every mental trick in the book to finish. If you had to pause during a workout to catch your breath or adjust the power demand down, the workout was likely a max effort.

  • If a workout was a maximum effort because of external factors like illness, poor sleep, or fatigue, be sure to add that detail in the follow-up survey.
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My problem is that I can be very confident that I can do an additional interval, but also would expect it to require “some focus”. I also always kinda look forward to the ride ending - that’s just my personality :sweat_smile: . (I’m anxious!)

I guess the difference is “how challenging” it felt? “Comfortable but challenging” vs “tough and challenging”. My difficulty is that I’m very comfortable with workouts feeling tough :laughing:

Another related question - if I have really long intervals (e.g. 40 minute sweetspot), and I felt like the workout was challenging but comfortable, but I don’t think I could complete another 40 minutes… is that “Very Hard”?

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same question here :slight_smile:

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Ha. Great questions.

I keep expecting Jonathan to pop in with the “just rate it how it feels” :winking_face_with_tongue:

@Pbase, I’ll do it for him.

Was the ride hard? If so, mark it as hard.

If it wasn’t easy, but wasn’t hard, mark it moderate. :upside_down_face:

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Part of me is increasingly thinking we’d be better off abandoning all descriptors/guidance/wording and just having a 1-2-3-4-5 scale. People would soon figure out their own internal metrics then based on how they feel after each ride rather than trying to best fit some other interpretation.

It might have the added bonus of stopping certain people rating every ride a 1 or a 2.

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:face_with_steam_from_nose: :face_with_steam_from_nose: :face_with_steam_from_nose:

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Agree. “On a scale from 1-5 how hard did the workout feel?”

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