Post Workout Survey Changes

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I noticed the Post Workout Survey description has changed. It used to be:
Moderate = able to do another set of intervals
Hard = able to do one more interval
Very Hard = cannot do one more interval

Now when I go to TR’s description, it’s:
Moderate = able to do another set of intervals
Hard = able to do another set of intervals with significant focus
Very hard = Cannot do one more set of intervals

When did this change? And is there an actual change to how TR Ai responds and judge Moderate/Hard/Very Hard vs how it is was before?

I’ve just been rating my workouts as I’ve always done, not noticing the change. There are plenty of recent workouts that I rated as “Hard”, thinking I could do 1 more interval, but I wouldn’t be able to do another set. Does TR’s Ai now interpret my “Hard” rating as “able to do another set of intervals with significant focus”?
Those are very different, and would have changed a few workouts to “very hard” if the criteria is that I am able to complete a whole set of intervals. I am worried I’ve provided incorrect feedback of my workouts as the system “understand” it.

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It seems that consistency is the key for the AI, so it might not matter too much.

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Don’t worry too much, but do update your responses based on the guidance. The scores are there to help the system, but it has other metrics.

If you consistently fail to hit the target power on the last interval in a set, the system will pick up on that.

The guidance is there to help you get the most out of the system, rather than being something to beat yourself up about.

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A couple of weeks ago, and no.

They updated it after a discussion regarding what constitutes an interval and what constitutes a set of intervals. It turns out there is many of us with a different understanding of what a set of intervals would be. I don’t know if this change made it any better, but you can confidently continue rating the same way you have been doing.

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I think what set means in this case it the last group, not all intervals in a workout. Most harder workouts have a set of intervals that repeats 3, 4, or 5 times. That’s what I’ve always taken the previous definitions before “set” to mean, anyway.

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It started here:

Start from there and read the following posts. I think I posted 3 times that this definition goes against all my senses…but whatever… I’m over that debate. I just stay consistent with my rating using the complete 1-5 scale and it works.

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Thanks for the replies so far. I am still not very clear. Maybe a concrete example would help clarify. The workout that prompted my question was Tunemah, it is 3x12-minute over-under intervals alternating between 2 minutes at 95% FTP and 2 minutes at 105% FTP with 10-minute recoveries between intervals.

I did it in erg mode, so I hit the power targets exactly, didn’t need to take any breaks or back pedal. It required focus, and I was glad when it was over. But I never had serious doubt that I couldn’t get through it either.

Under my understanding of the old survey response, one more interval = an extra 2min of Tunemah’s final set. I probably would have marked it “Hard”, guessing that if I had to, I could do one more 2min interval of Under (95%) which would be next in sequence, immediately following the last Overs, making the final “Set” (the last group of over/unders) 14min. But it would require significant mental focus.

But with the new survey, how is “an additional set of interval” defined? I know it doesn’t mean being able to repeat the full 3x12min over/unders. Does it mean, following the last set of (12min) over/unders:

A) 10 min of recovery, same as prior intervals, then one more 12min set of over/unders (2min@95%, 2min@105%, 2min@95%, 2min@105%, 2min @95%, 2min@105%).

B) No recovery, immediately into 12 more minutes of over/unders (2min@95%, 2min@105%, 2min@95%, 2min@105%, 2min@95%, 2min@105%).

C) No recovery, immediately into 4 more minutes of over/unders (2min@95%, 2min@105%)

D) No recovery, immediately into 2 more minute@105 of over @105%.

E) No recovery, immediately into 2 more minu@95es of under @95%.

I just want to make sure my understanding aligns with the TR team’s definition.

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My interpretation has always been the last of the working blocks, which in this case would be the 12 minutes of under/overs, and I would include the 10 min recovery after that last one. The way I look at it, those 12 minutes of over/unders are really one tough interval and could be replaced by single 12 minute interval at something like 102% FTP. In either case, the 12minute block would be the last set.

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Me 2 on that one.

I just did a “mixed intervals” today with 4 sets. I marked it “hard” to start with as Threshold intervals are always hard :sweat_smile: But I could do another set of intervals.

But thinking about it I changed it to Moderate afterwards since, eventhough it was hard, I was confident that I could “easily” complete another set of intervals. Maybe even 2 sets. When marked as “hard” the threshold workout next week didn’t get higher in PL. it did when I changed it to moderate, which is what I wanted.

I hope that is how I should rank it. Normally I would rank it hard though.

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I wonder how many people are rating their workouts according to how they think AI will interpret this and how it affects the calculation for ftp in 30 days…

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I would have called that one SET, not one INTERVAL

Which I think you agree with later

And that’s where it gets confusing now. If it was one 12 minute interval, then one more interval would be 12 minutes…but if it’s back to back over/unders, then it’s a 12 minute set…so how do you rate it? As an interval or as a set?

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It’s 100% this.

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So is it a set or an interval? He said it was both.

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I think it’s always been a set, and that’s why they updated the survey questions to specify set. That’s how I’ve always interpreted it.

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