I’d like a 32 point scale please. Anything less Is just a flawed WIP.
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I think you are on to something but not exactly…
How did that workout feel?
vs.
How hard was that workout to complete?
Two different questions with different outcomes. You can fail a workout that does feel hard or bad. You can complete a workout that physiologically feels “all out”.
Use the Chad chart. Problem solved.
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It depends what your purpose is. A 7 point is often the best but 5 tends to be better than 10 especially if what you care about is precision.
The historical data is all 5 point. So changing it now for a potential minor improvement doesn’t appear valuable. It’s not a fundamentally flawed measurement, it’s probably statistically better than the Zwift survey from an inter-respondent perspective.
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Trainerroad has one scale. A 5 point scale. If you use the zwift integration it maps their 10 point scale to a 5 point scale.
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I agree, I am not advocating for the 10. even though TR is already using both a 5 and a 10 which adds to the confusion of how to rate. Clearly I am not rating the 5 the way they need the 5 to be rated.
TR only has a 5 point scale.
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Not sure if @eddie or @Caro.Gomez-Villafane could have the survey knowledge base article on the survey updated to reference how the Zwift 10 point scale maps to the TR survey results. That could clear up that confusion.
Eddie posed this a while ago:
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Careful. I said the same and got flamed for it.
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Having thought about this thread for awhile, there are actually 3 levels above hard if you include “fail”
For me hard=crushed a tough workout! Yes! Very hard is “sure am glad THAT’S over”. All out is using most or all of my tricks to eke out success. Fail is a pause, dropping the power even just a little, skipping the last one, etc.
I certainly have “failed” sweet spot workouts and had some all out ones too. TR adjusts and on we go.
Joe
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Interesting that you say that. The other day I had to “pause” a workout to help my wife put our babies to bed. I was gone for about 8 min. Came back and completed the workout and labeled it as “hard”. TR said I would receive a progression to my level since I paused for too long…and it actually timed my pause for me. Kind of cool actually if you’re pausing due to fatigue and intensity, not cool at all if you’re pausing because you need to put children to bed 
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Hi Eddie, how should we think about rating for sweet spot intervals which are shorter?
For example recently completed Antelope +2 which is 1h30 of 5x10 at 94%. I also had Geiger 1h of 3x12 at 88-94 a few days ago. For both my HR was drifting and by the last interval would get to around LTHR. I am not surprised because I had a cold and then long haul travel to get over in the two weeks before Geiger.
For both of these I felt that I could have completed another of these longer intervals and possibly two more for Antelope+2. I doubt I could have completed the entire workout. I looked at the support page https://support.trainerroad.com/hc/en-us/articles/4404884465563-Post-Workout-Surveys and I can’t figure out the right response.
Definitely not Easy, somewhere between Moderate and Hard. Where I am unsure is because these are longer intervals so am I interpreting correctly that for long intervals the ‘set of intervals’ really means the final interval (aka Moderate is the right choice, I could do another set) or does it mean the ‘whole workout’ (which would mean Hard is the right choice because it’s one more Interval – but it also leaves no room for a Moderate ranking because re-doing the entire workout would be Easy).
I know this sounds like I’m overthinking it but it’s been bugging me for ages!
thanks
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Easy
This ride felt easy and non-taxing, requiring little effort or focus. You could repeat the ride and pass it without issue. -
Moderate
This ride was somewhat comfortable but required some focus to complete. You felt a little challenged but had confidence that you could finish. If the ride had an additional set of intervals, you could complete it. -
Hard
This ride required effort and focus and was challenging to complete. This will feel tough and you’ll look forward to this ride ending. If there was an additional interval, you could have done it with some focus. -
Very Hard
This ride was very difficult to complete. This ride tested you. If there would have been one more interval, you wouldn’t have been able to do it.
I’d just follow what it says in that doc.
Don’t think about whether you could have re-done the entire workout, but just the last interval.
I see what you’re saying here, where moderate says “an additional set of intervals” and hard says “an additional interval,” but just consider the last interval.
I think what’s described as a “set of intervals” refers to something like over/under workouts where the last set of intervals includes all of the overs and unders, rather than just the last interval (usually an over). Does that make sense?
The same could apply to other workouts that have sets.
I’ll let the team know that this has proven to be a bit confusing..
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Wow - I feel better after seeing this. I’m experiencing the same thing, I failed a VO2 today (too intense). My last FTP detection was last week. Afterwards, it adjusted my new FTP target BELOW my current FTP. Looks like I bail on the TR Plan Builder Plan and go back to self coaching, just use TR as a workout library….
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Yes! Thanks for your response. I was of the same opinion (O/Us or VO2 interval styles rather than the longer ones). Glad I’m not alone in thinking that way.
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I’m not surprised, given the contrast between what you’ve been doing for the last few weeks and what you got planned between now and your AIFTP Prediction.
Halving your TSS will do that, I guess, all other things being equal.
Your assuming my plan the next few weeks is reduced TSS ???
Not so much “assuming” as having looked at your calendar and seen what’s in there. 
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