Or it’s a reading comprehension issue on your side. You shouldn’t have a bug up your a** about people answering a question as written and asked because you want to argue a different point.
I don’t disagree with anything you said, it’s just that you’re making an argument of something that is quite literally NOT how the original question was posed, that’s my point.
And again I say, WTF cares? The choice is between informing people with relevant information and just hearing yourself talk.
IOW, just because a question was posed doesn’t mean you have to take it literally, or even answer it in the first place.
(First rule of scientific publishing, at least if you wish to make an impact versus just padding your CV: nobody wants to see your dirty laundry.)
As the yahoo that started this silly post, and I did mean it to be a silly post…I think I can step in and moderate here a little bit. Here’s what I started with:
“I was curious how close I’ve come to ever actually riding for an hour at FTP. The closest I’ve found was an hour at 96% of FTP at the time. Whatya got?”
That was a pretty simple premise I think. It wasn’t about arguing what FTP meant. As users of TR or any structured training, we all probably have a number we call FTP in order to get our zones for training, right? Right. So the question was simply, what percentage of that number have you all ridden at before for one hour?
My point is this - don’t take issue with people who do answer a question the way it was asked, there are people here who might find that discussion interesting even if you don’t. I personally do.
This is an open discussion topic on the internet for crying out loud (not a lab or a scientific study), and you’re more than welcome to start a thread that does qualify it to a 100% FTP effort to exhaustion if you like. Hell, I might even get the motivation to attempt it to see what my TTE is and participate there.
“What’s the highest number of jellybeans you have stuffed up your nose?”
ETA:
“As users of TR or any structured training, we all probably have a number we call FTP in order to get our zones for training, right?”
This right here is illustrative of the problem. FTP is not about setting “zones”. Although perpetuated/promulgated by the likes of TR, that’s a myopic perspective. Asking folks what percentage of FTP they have maintained for 60 (60.000…) minutes just reinforces such misconceptions.
TL,DR: Our book is called “Training and Racing with a Power Meter” and not “Training and Racing By Power” for a reason.
I’ve made my point: unless somebody is reporting a maximal effort, they’re just making noise.
Really? How long? If you’re riding at FTP/MLSS then by definition you’re looking at about an hour at a more or less stable physiological state.
That shouldn’t bury you.
the bigger questions for me when doing this long, high % of ftp efforts, are:
i believe efforts like this can teach us lots about where we are. i have a very short gap between doable and ticking time bomb. aerobically its a great gauge.
i did 90 mins at 90% recently at the end of a block. not wanting to push another 5% to make sure i got the 90 mins done. in the last 15mins the limiter was mental/ muscular rather than breathing, heart rate, vo2
WTF cares what the first rule of scientific publishing is? This isn’t a scientific publication. Responding with irrelevant norms from entirely different contexts is just making noise.
It was a parenthetical comment, but yes, the same norm applies: nobody wants to see your dirty laundry.
Some people pay good money for dirty laundry 
Only if it’s been worn for at least 60 mins.
We all are here with different backgrounds and abilities. Having been beginner and still average cyclist, I certainly don’t mind seeing “dirty laundry”. Just to understand where I am myself right now, maybe get support or share encouragement, learn something, unlearn earlier bro-science knowledge, etc. And certainly your comment with at least 97% intensity is helpful to many of us.
don’t use age as a reason to hold yourself back or tell yourself something can’t be done! i’m turning 44 in a month and I can do more than I’ve ever done
If someone hasn’t gone as hard as possible for 60 min, then their data don’t tell you anything.
Sure, no arguments here. My post was motivated from different angle: this forum is more like dogs peeing post – everybody leaves their mark “I was here” and then we either discuss or ignore it. Still, everybody gets their kick out of it 
EDIT: unfortunately I don’t have many cycling friends. This forum in my main cycling discussions area
It’s a leg fatigue issue, and being able to “snap back” from a workout quickly. I’m at a 315 FTP, volume is currently 14-15 hours this week, peaked at 18+ and an 80CTL this past season.
So with that said, It’s not completion of the workout itself if I go in fresh, but as I’ve gotten into my 40’s, there are certain workouts that just linger for longer and limit me on future workouts and I need more recovery. HARD threshold is probably at the top of that list, along with really really easy to overdo it on leg day (suseceptible to DOMS too). But even a crushing SST or Tempo workout or stacking harder workouts will do it too.
I do like doing workouts like that from time to time, but I usually pay for them with needing more lighter days.
I’ll use the Toby Keith Line - “I’m not as good as I once was, but I’m as good once as I ever was…”
Mmmm. Something doesn’t add up. This year I’m averaging 8.5h/week. ~420h total. My CLT peaked at 81 as well. Either:
or
Or
The point is that you train almost twice my volume while achieving same peak CTL. Something is wrong
I do a lot of endurance volume, including Low Endurance. Have 100% of the data in TrainingPeaks and WKO to back it up.
For example, 2.5 hours at 63% today, 4 - 6 hours (probably 4 if I’m on the trainer) at 60% Sunday. Tomorrow is a 3 hour tempo workout with 90 minutes @ 80%.
Real intensity is a small part of the total. With that said, pretty sure I have a dedicated butt-kicking VO2 block coming up soon.
It’s also what I’m training for, target event is Leadville where there’s a lot of Endurance, Tempo, SST. And being able to just keep diesel’ing along all day is part of the goal. (Funny story, I actually met @wik04 on course there this year and we got to ride part of it together…)
Your average TSS per hour is about 65. BCM is about 40TSS per hour. Someone is doing more intensity.
You both demonstrate two different ways of accomplishing similar things.