Nope. I can see from both the dates and the shape of the curve (depending on which analysis I’m looking at) that it is disregarding TR indoor rides. It does get outdoor, unstructured rides recorded on the Edge.
There is primary wearable and primary training device. Everyone else seems to have an option to set them but nothing shows up for me. When I had the 945 only ( and a non compatible edge 800) nothing populated in the Garmin training status. When I go the 840 I started dual recording so that it would. Saturday I did a TR workout without the edge but turned it on after and that seemed to work and everything showed up with the exception of it raising my hydration need for the day.
This is exactly the same experience I’m having.
I finally gave in and just dual recorded. While it’s annoying deleting the duplicate files, there are some additional metrics computed on the Edge that wouldn’t be populated from the TR file anyways (such as Training Effect). Until these are also populated from the TR file, I think I’ll just continue to dual record.
Just to close out my own observations on this topic:
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I saw some suggestions in the comments on DC Rainmaker’s site to the effect that doing a “seed” ride with dual recording would solve the issue. It did not solve it for me.
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I wrote to TR Support, and this is their answer:
We were able to get a hold of Garmin through their Customer Support chat and they told us that these metrics are only available for workouts completed on Garmin Devices.
This is especially frustrating if you really can just edit the device name with a 3rd party app to get it to work. Unfortunately, we won’t be able to change anything to make the Garmin metrics work from our end.
On behalf of all of us, I responded: “It’s so weird that DC Rainmaker published a whole article about how this works, and he says it still works for him! So obviously they CAN make it work; they are just choosing not to. What a pain. I think there are enough of us on the TR Forum thread . . . that we would be grateful for TR to keep escalating/pushing the issue as part of any ongoing conversations between the two companies. Thanks.”
- And finally, regarding the grossly inaccurate Garmin HR data if one elects not to dual-record, it’s intentional (!), according to Garmin Support:
Ok, to answer all questions here, you are looking at the all day HR data from the watch face which is not going to be accurate when doing an activity. That is by design, if you want to see accurate HR data, you will need to start a activity on your watch because of the algorithms produced by First Beat analysis. There are a lot of different algorithms working here depending on what activity type you are doing.
Once you start an activity on your watch, the HRM strap will be the HR detector, not your watches sensor so any type of HR irregulars will be coming from the strap if you see them once you start an activity. I am happy to go over troubleshooting if you do so irregulars from the HRM strap. But you have mentioned it produces accuracy so it shouldn’t be a problem.
I believe this has answered the inquiry. Looking at the ALL day HR data on the watch face will not be accurate when doing an activity and that is not a bug, it is by design.
So - this seems to have worked for me today! I gave up on this and have been dual recording since my last post on this thread.
I noticed today under the Exercise Load tab there were two entries, one linking to the TR workout and the other to the Garmin. Interestingly the Training Load value didn’t seem to take both into consideration.
I installed an update to my Edge recently but nothing else of note. Will do some more testing and see how it goes
IT always takes me ages to figure out what people are saying is wrong on this thread.
You mean this kind of activity wasn’t showing up?
Here?
Go one click further into the detail.
Garmin’s recovery time is the time till you are fully recovered and ready for a race/very hard workout. It’s pretty spot on for me. But I guess a lot of people misunderstand and think you should not train for the next 50 hours if you get a 50 hour recovery time.
Yes the whole Training Effect section appears in my TR record in Garmin on July 16th including Primary Benefit, Aerobic, Anerobic and Training Load
Yes exactly. I should have added pictures, makes things more clear. I figured that if TR workouts weren’t appearing under Exercise Load then there was no way it was going to contribute to Training Status.
Ok confirmed, this is working for me now.
You can see here that I have two rides - one uploaded from Garmin and the other from TR. Both are contributing to Exercise Load as well as Training Load.
Looking at the Stats from the TR ride, it looks like it is also calculating a Training Effect.
As expected, there is some information missing from the TR ride that is present in the Garmin ride. I don’t have cycling dynamics but I’m assuming that is one of the fields that would be missing. For me the TR ride doesn’t have Stamina, Nutrition/Hydration, and Respiration rate.
Can I just check how you manage this? Do you have to dual record on TR and your Garmin watch? If so, do you have to connect the trainer and HR strap to your watch? Does that interfere with the connections to TR on your phone/laptop? Thank you.
Dual recording with my Garmin computer and TR doesn’t interfere because they’re using different protocols.
I have my cadence sensor, HR strap, and trainer power connected to my Garmin via ANT+, and to TR on my phone/tablet via Bluetooth.
But, you don’t have to dual record. The only benefit to doing so is that there’s a few different fields that get populated when recording with the Garmin.
If you don’t care about those stats, just record with TR and you should see your training load updated
Thank you, that’s helpful and that’s what I thought was the case with 3rd party workouts. I synced a TR workout to Garmin Connect this morning but it doesn’t seem to have the Training Effect in the stats, so I thought perhaps I need to dual record to get it to work? Maybe the reason it’s not contributing to load or training effect is because I’ve only had my Garmin watch a couple of days? I have no idea
No - you don’t have to dual record for it to work! I only have my own observations for this but it could be because your watch is new. I had something similar happen.
The 3rd party training effect suddenly started working for me after I had owned my Edge for two months or so and recorded several activities.
I’d recommend dual recording for a while and keeping an eye on it!
Many of us have to dual record if we want to have that data. I know you can find a few who say they don’t, including DCRainmaker, but many, many of us still have to dual record.
I do as well. I dump it into Golden Cheetah.
Dual record? Aww, how cute - just two?
So I reached out to Garmin about this, they said that part of the issue is my watch is brand new to me, and apparently Garmin watches take about 7 days of continual wear to “learn” you.
The suggestion I had from Garmin was as follows:
“You would also need todo a cycling activity on the watch to essentially seed it with information.
Before your Garmin Connect account can analyse third party activities, a cycling activity needs to be uploaded from a Training Status capable device (your Forerunner) and a VO2 Max must be established.”
So I need to do a “seed” workout on the watch, so connected to my trainer and my HR strap, where my HR needs to be above 70% of max for over 20 continuous minutes. I’ll try and do this tomorrow with a 2x25 minute sweet spot workout and see if that sorts out future workouts.
Does this sound familiar to anyone here?