Is there a short answer to why 1 month plan for climbing would predict higher FTP than 1 month FTP improvement plan?
So, I want a higher FTP and indicate that with choosing FTP improvement plan. But improving Climbing plan predict better FTP. 
Short answer. Itâs a test to see if you are paying attention.
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Did you see the changes in prediction between the training approaches?
Would be curious if an aggressive or demanding approach would change those numbers?
Higher by 1W?
3d per week, conservative, masters or 6d, aggressive, non-masters?
Can you show your calendar?
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Hey @BineRepse 
Weâd have to see what settings you applied to each plan. If you can post pictures of how each plan is built this can help us understand where that 1w difference may be coming from.
If not, you can email support@trainerroad.com
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It looks like you only have two workouts a week? Are you deleting your threshold workout?
Of course not. Just choose 2 trainings per week in settings.
I think if you want a higher ftp you may need to train more.
These are now predictions on new 1 month plans. Both auto generated. No changes made manually.
On the left Improving FTP = 153. On right Improving climbing = 154?
Again, what is a logic behind this? Why Improving FTP does not make a plan to maximize FTP?
It"s 1 watt. Thatâs less than power meter error. That alone would make me say itâs Basically The Same and just choose whichever plan looks like more fun.
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In general, Specialty phases arenât designed to build higher FTP, rather they sharpen what youâve already got, so you would be unlikely to see much of a gain whatever plan you picked.
Looking at the workouts, the high spikes you are seeing on the Vo2 attacks and threshold hard starts, probably account for the 1 watt difference.
I understand your point of view. But you are not understanding my. :).
I am asking, how can I trust a system that thinks 153 is more than 154? If we accept this kind of illogical decisions on a completely simple task, âJust make a training plans and choose the one that will maximise FTP increaseâ, what kind of mistakes it makes on a more complex problems solutions?
It obvious have produced a better plan in a next minute.
You mean 154, and no âthe systemâ does not âthinkâ that. You have mischaracterised your plan selection.
JoeX hi,
Yes 154, thanks!
What does then âIncreasing FTPâ plan characterise?
What are you trying to gain from this thread?
Are you subtly suggesting that TR could/should alter its plans so FTP Improvement always has the highest predicted FTP outcome after four weeks?
It says âIncrease FTPâ. It doesnât say âIncrease FTP more than every other type of planâ.
Thatâs a requirement you are imposing upon it. It also doesnât say âIn 4 weeksâ. Itâs going to try to give you sustainable training.
If you want 4 weeks of unsustainable training to maximise FTP gains just ask. Iâm sure I can come up with something. You probably wonât like it, though.
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I did not thought there could be so much misinterpretations of my intent. I think my question is pretty straight forward and has no subtle suggestions in it.
I understand TR asks me about parameters I want training plan, it would create for me, will comply. It asks me:
- Why I am building plan (General Fitness)
- When to start (Today)
- Discipline (Road)
- Goal (Increasing FTP)
- How long I want to focus on my goal (1 Month)
- Training Approach (Balanced) or Conservative or whateverâŚ
These are parameters I see. It also has parameters from my training history.
And yes I, not subtle, expected it would from âincreasing FTPâ from 146 to 147, 148, 149, 150, 151, 152, 153, 154 possible, it would chose 154.
If it is choosing 153 because it predict I would ânot like 154 plan thoughâ as it would be unsustainable for me, why it predict sustainability of a plan with 154 for âImproving Climbing? And 154 is more than 153.
If 31 days make a difference against 4 weeks and 28 days, the same was in February with 28 days. I am apologising and taking all back if those 3 day without training, after 4 weeks training, will make a difference in FTP and FTP plan will than closed a better number than climbing plan.
Ah no, so this is a misunderstanding then. Plan selection and ftp prediction are not connected features.
When you choose a plan type, you are choosing an outcome of improving your threshold, which TR interprets into a plan structure In the case of ftp improvement, it means that you will get a combination of mostly sweet spot and threshold workouts - this is should improve your threshold. If you chose getting faster for group rides, you will get vo2, anaerobic and threshold workouts.
When you select a plan, then, the approach, the frequency and any other settings, and accept your planâŚthen FTP Prediction goes to work.
Does that make sense?
FTP Prediction canât calculate before you build your plan. Not yet anyway.
I am sorry. I was sure, before it shows a plan on my screen, it make such changes and adjustments and already calculate predicted FTP, and make adjustments again and calculate and again and again⌠and after all that it shows the best possible set of workouts, according to known parameters, on my screen.
No hard feelings, I can only be that much sincere to just say that âPlan selection and ftp prediction are not connected features when Plan name is âIncreasing FTPâ sounds kind of odd, to me. 
But hey, I was first in contact with AI back in 1986.
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